Full Central Heating Replacement - supplying own materials

elliotj

Hi,

First of all, thanks in advance for your time...

I live in North Yorkshire, in a 3 bedroom end terrace.

As I am trying to minimise the cash spend, I am going to put as much materials on credit card as possible, so I am buying the Vaillant Boiler Ecotec Plus 837, Flue, Vaillant TimeSWITCH 130 & Vaillant VRT50 Room Thermostat from http://www.vaillantboilersales.co.uk and then am buying 4 standard rads, 3 vertical rads & 6 TRV's & 7 Lock shields through a couple of companies.

The local installer seems a decent guy and I have checked the gas safe website and he is registered. He has quoted the following:

- Remove exisitng boiler, tanks and cylinder
- Install new combi boiler in ground floor cupboard (same location as existing)
- Remove exisiting pipe work to old boiler
- Install new pipe work for new combi
- Install new radiators (4 standard rads in same location, 2 vertical rads - one to either side of the living room window where the old rad is under, and 1 vertical rad in the kitchen which is moving from one wall to another)
- Change new pipework to suit new radiators
- Chase wall out in kitchen to hide pipe work from sink (exisiting pipe work is boxed in from sink up to ceiling)
- Reroute all other pipe works as discussed (existing pipe work from kitchen comes into bedroom 2 and is boxed along one wall then along bathroom wall. This will all be chased into ceiling/floorboards)
- T off hot and cold under boiler for future plumbing work (we will be putting in a utility with washer/dryer and a downstairs bathroom in the future)
- Run condense pipe through wall into outhouse to outside drain (temporary as discussed) (This outhouse will be turned into the bathroom in the future, so this is just temporary)
- Repair/Replace leaking stop tap.

Total cost including labour, materials (although I will be supplying the Bolier & accessories, Rads & TRV's) and electician - £2300. (I assume that this is incl VAT).

Does this sound reasonable? Does anyone see any savings that I could make on this job?

Canucklehead

elliotj wrote: »

Hi,

First of all, thanks in advance for your time...

I live in North Yorkshire, in a 3 bedroom end terrace.

As I am trying to minimise the cash spend, I am going to put as much materials on credit card as possible, so I am buying the Vaillant Boiler Ecotec Plus 837, Flue, Vaillant TimeSWITCH 130 & Vaillant VRT50 Room Thermostat from http://www.vaillantboilersales.co.uk and then am buying 4 standard rads, 3 vertical rads & 6 TRV's & 7 Lock shields through a couple of companies.

The local installer seems a decent guy and I have checked the gas safe website and he is registered. He has quoted the following:

- Remove exisitng boiler, tanks and cylinder
- Install new combi boiler in ground floor cupboard (same location as existing)
- Remove exisiting pipe work to old boiler
- Install new pipe work for new combi
- Install new radiators (4 standard rads in same location, 2 vertical rads - one to either side of the living room window where the old rad is under, and 1 vertical rad in the kitchen which is moving from one wall to another)
- Change new pipework to suit new radiators
- Chase wall out in kitchen to hide pipe work from sink (exisiting pipe work is boxed in from sink up to ceiling)
- Reroute all other pipe works as discussed (existing pipe work from kitchen comes into bedroom 2 and is boxed along one wall then along bathroom wall. This will all be chased into ceiling/floorboards)
- T off hot and cold under boiler for future plumbing work (we will be putting in a utility with washer/dryer and a downstairs bathroom in the future)
- Run condense pipe through wall into outhouse to outside drain (temporary as discussed) (This outhouse will be turned into the bathroom in the future, so this is just temporary)
- Repair/Replace leaking stop tap.

Total cost including labour, materials (although I will be supplying the Bolier & accessories, Rads & TRV's) and electician - £2300. (I assume that this is incl VAT).

Does this sound reasonable? Does anyone see any savings that I could make on this job?

Good evening: Always get more than one quote from RGIs recommended to you by a source you trust and compare quotes like for like. Every quote should include a chemical flush (minimum spec.), fitting a Boiler Buddy/Magnaclean/Spirovent, insulation of hot water pipework as needed, notification of the installation to Building Control, and specify whether plastic or copper pipe will be used.

I assume the RGI has checked your mains flow/pressure and gas supply to ascertain whether they will cope with the 837.

Price sounds typical for the spec.

HTH

Canucklehead

Razor

Any savings? Are you sure you need an 837? thats a big beastie that needs a decent water and gas supply if you only have one bathroom you probably wont notice much less performance from an 831.

6 TRVs and 7 lockshields are you sureyou don't mean 8?;)

Just make sure its range rated down to about 12Kw and the pump overrun is adjusted.

elliotj

Razor wrote: »

Any savings? Are you sure you need an 837? thats a big beastie that needs a decent water and gas supply if you only have one bathroom you probably wont notice much less performance from an 831.

Thanks for the reply. The Flow rate of the 831 is 12.7 vs 15.2 for the 837. We are planning on putting in a second bathroom (one bathroom with a shower and one with a shower over the bath. Do you think that we would notice a difference in water pressure if we wanted to use both at the same time? What about useage at taps and washing machine?

Canucklehead

elliotj wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. The Flow rate of the 831 is 12.7 vs 15.2 for the 837. We are planning on putting in a second bathroom (one bathroom with a shower and one with a shower over the bath. Do you think that we would notice a difference in water pressure if we wanted to use both at the same time? What about useage at taps and washing machine?

Good morning: if you plan on adding another bathroom and plan to use your DHW simultaneously at different draw-off points, then even a large combi would struggle... more here and here.

HTH

Canucklehead

ncooper1974

elliotj wrote: »

...and then am buying 4 standard rads, 3 vertical rads & 6 TRV's & 7 Lock shields through a couple of companies.

hi

I'm trying to get some Lock shields and wonder where you got yours from?

Razor

British gas mostly;)

You could always try some of these

ncooper1974

Looks like i'm getting my terminology wrong.
We got TRVs on the rads in our bedrooms, and I mentioned to the engineer that we're planning on taking the rads off soon to replaster and then decorate. He told me that with the TRVs, although they can be set to 0 setting, they will still come on if the temperature went below 5 degrees. he said if i wanted to turn them off completely I'd need to get some lock sheilds. He showed me one, and it was a plastic thingy (quite small) and you simply lifted the TRV cap off, and replaced it with it.
hope this makes sense....

Canucklehead

ncooper1974 wrote: »

Looks like i'm getting my terminology wrong.
We got TRVs on the rads in our bedrooms, and I mentioned to the engineer that we're planning on taking the rads off soon to replaster and then decorate. He told me that with the TRVs, although they can be set to 0 setting, they will still come on if the temperature went below 5 degrees. he said if i wanted to turn them off completely I'd need to get some lock sheilds. He showed me one, and it was a plastic thingy (quite small) and you simply lifted the TRV cap off, and replaced it with it.
hope this makes sense....

Good evening: a radiator valve cap is what you want, a standard item packaged with a TRV (see Razor's link)but many peeps bin them the OH always puts these aside for the customer and explains why they are useful 'bits of plastic'.;)

HTH

Canucklehead

frasier123

I am thinking about having my old gas boiler replaced by the new A rated condensing boiler. I live in the Soihull, West Midlands area ......can anyone recommend anyone they have recently used and approx the cost ???
Thanks in advance
frasier

heating-eng

elliotj wrote: »

Hi,

First of all, thanks in advance for your time...

I live in North Yorkshire, in a 3 bedroom end terrace.

As I am trying to minimise the cash spend, I am going to put as much materials on credit card as possible, so I am buying the Vaillant Boiler Ecotec Plus 837, Flue, Vaillant TimeSWITCH 130 & Vaillant VRT50 Room Thermostat from http://www.vaillantboilersales.co.uk and then am buying 4 standard rads, 3 vertical rads & 6 TRV's & 7 Lock shields through a couple of companies.

The local installer seems a decent guy and I have checked the gas safe website and he is registered. He has quoted the following:

- Remove exisitng boiler, tanks and cylinder
- Install new combi boiler in ground floor cupboard (same location as existing)
- Remove exisiting pipe work to old boiler
- Install new pipe work for new combi
- Install new radiators (4 standard rads in same location, 2 vertical rads - one to either side of the living room window where the old rad is under, and 1 vertical rad in the kitchen which is moving from one wall to another)
- Change new pipework to suit new radiators
- Chase wall out in kitchen to hide pipe work from sink (exisiting pipe work is boxed in from sink up to ceiling)
- Reroute all other pipe works as discussed (existing pipe work from kitchen comes into bedroom 2 and is boxed along one wall then along bathroom wall. This will all be chased into ceiling/floorboards)
- T off hot and cold under boiler for future plumbing work (we will be putting in a utility with washer/dryer and a downstairs bathroom in the future)
- Run condense pipe through wall into outhouse to outside drain (temporary as discussed) (This outhouse will be turned into the bathroom in the future, so this is just temporary)
- Repair/Replace leaking stop tap.

Total cost including labour, materials (although I will be supplying the Bolier & accessories, Rads & TRV's) and electician - £2300. (I assume that this is incl VAT).

Does this sound reasonable? Does anyone see any savings that I could make on this job?

that boiler is a very high output first things first .did the installer check your water pressure ???if not you must check this before buying that boiler i have been to a number of these boilers that didnt work because of low water pressure ....and normally will need gas supply updating ..

please do not think that because he is gas safe reg he will do the job right ..it is just not ture