Updated Printable Money off Coupons & Policies Thread 8 (and chat)

Freefall

DomtheMon wrote: »

I'm seriously contemplating contacting H.O. and suggesting they only accept internet coupons on the product. Sorry but if it protects the coupon policy on the coupons they can get the money back on then I'll do it.

Sorry but that would spoil things for the majority of people who play by Tesco's own rules.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of useable coupons come off the internet and what's more many of them can be printed multiple times quite legitamately (i.e. where the coupon producer does not prohibit it or unique code the coupons). The solution is to inhibit people forging smart coupons not prevent people using internet coupons altogether!

I even had one SA who was unsure if they could accept smart coupons. perhaps not accepting smart coupons would be a good way for Tesco's to go :rotfl: . At least that way there would be no issue with Tesco not being able to redeem coupons.

I understand that you want to "save" the policy, however your suggestion, if taken up by Tesco's, would render the policy obsolete, ruining things for hard-working people and families who use Tesco's coupon policy legitimately, legally and within Tesco's own rules. These people use the policy to either save money or to provide a decent standard of living for them and their kids and suggesting to Tesco that they don't allow internet coupons just jeapordises this for them.

Obviously Tescos have made a commercial decision to operate their coupon policy in the way that they do. The fact that they haven't rescinded it yet and are still working through all the problems with some coupons and manufacturers would indicate to me that they want to continue with this policy because it is an overall profitable policy. So the complete revocation of the favourable provisions of the Tesco coupon policy doesn't seem likely in the foreseeable future. So I don't see the need to rock the boat with HO.

JMHO though... I know you mean well

Brightness

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Domthemon

Freefall wrote: »

Sorry but that would spoil things for the majority of people who play by Tesco's own rules.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of useable coupons come off the internet and what's more many of them can be printed multiple times quite legitamately (i.e. where the coupon producer does not prohibit it or unique code the coupons). The solution is to inhibit people forging smart coupons not prevent people using internet coupons altogether!

I even had one SA who was unsure if they could accept smart coupons. perhaps not accepting smart coupons would be a good way for Tesco's to go :rotfl: . At least that way there would be no issue with Tesco not being able to redeem coupons.

I understand that you want to "save" the policy, however your suggestion, if taken up by Tesco's, would render the policy obsolete, ruining things for hard-working people and families who use Tesco's coupon policy legitimately, legally and within Tesco's own rules. These people use the policy to either save money or to provide a decent standard of living for them and their kids and suggesting to Tesco that they don't allow internet coupons just jeapordises this for them.

Obviously Tescos have made a commercial decision to operate their coupon policy in the way that they do. The fact that they haven't rescinded it yet and are still working through all the problems with some coupons and manufacturers would indicate to me that they want to continue with this policy because it is an overall profitable policy. So the complete revocation of the favourable provisions of the Tesco coupon policy doesn't seem likely in the foreseeable future. So I don't see the need to rock the boat with HO.

JMHO though... I know you mean well

It wouldn't render it obsolete, it would just mean internet coupons were treated differently. I know of some stores that won't even accept internet coupons at all, not even against the product, they just point blank refuse them.

The problem with the unlimited ones is that people are printing loads off. Taking the mickey. At least with genuine manufacturer MOC's if you buy them off ebay even they were printed in a defined quantity. Saying that the manufacturer "allows you" to print off 100's is missing the point, the manufacturer only does this because as long as you buy the product they'd be happy to print off millions!

Yes it is true that Tesco shouldn't accept them on anything, but they get reimbursed on normal MOC's, they don't get reimbursed on duplicated Couponstar/Couponnet ones that are supposed to be used once. Also normal mocs usually involve a product being purchased initially which is either a limited run magazine or product featuring the MOC. Not an open ended free for all.

Its the internet ones causing the problems, fraud is the problem with these. Sadly I feel as long as people use them fraudulently then a ban is the only way to protect the core genuine MOC policy. I appreciate that will stick in some peoples gullets, but it would stick even worse if they changed to be like Sainsbury's, wouldn't it?!

hillybilly22

Off topic, I know, but please can someone answer this question?
Daily Mail £2.50 off when you spend £10 Health and Beauty.

Does the DM voucher kick-in before a BOGOF deal?
If yes, is this example correct?

Panthene 400 mls shampoo £3.89 x 2 = £7.78
Colgate toothpaste £2 x 2 = £4.00.
Total spend £11.78.

£2.50 DM voucher kicks in now as "spent" over £10

Both items are of BOGOF, bringing bring price down to £5.89
DM voucher brings total down to £3.39

Right? Hope so
Hilly
xxx

swannee_D_3

Coupon-mad wrote: »

and THANKYOU :A

to Swannee_D who was the only person to offer to run the thread if PC could not (we will remember that in future Swan, when PC goes on holiday or gets fed up with it...). :rolleyes:

Thanks CM and thanks to all those that have thanked me for my offer and to the many that have sent private messages of support..I'm humbled! Thankyou.

hillybilly22

Just to comment on the recently aired concerns on threat to policy. My T's today have said "coloured MOCs" only. For weeks and weeks they've been asking "is this a photocopy?, is this a photocopy?" to which I reply "no, photocopies are not allowed, it is a printout from my b&w printer."
I was quite glad of the new policy, as I can print in colour and so looked forward to going today knowing they'd finally made a local policy decision and I had a fist full of MOCs all the colours of the rainbow.
Blow me, instead of "is this a photcopy?" it was "have you scanned these?" Can't win!!
Seriously, the checkout Manager at my Ts is very friendly and has implemented the new rule of coloured MOCs only to stamp out any possible photocopying. She says the rest of the management want internet mocs banned altogether and that the national policy is being reviewed. (isn't it always!). They believe the .pdfs eg Domestic, Cif, Heinz should only be used once per household. This indeed is what the manufacturer states on the mumplusone website from which we have lifted the .pdfs. We have turned a blind eye to this though, saying that we're not buying the product anyway..blah, blah, but if Tesco aren't getting their money back on Cif and Dom etc and we continue to use them we're asking for trouble.
Rant over.

KarenBB

hillybilly22 wrote: »

Off topic, I know, but please can someone answer this question?
Daily Mail £2.50 off when you spend £10 Health and Beauty.

Does the DM voucher kick-in before a BOGOF deal?
If yes, is this example correct?

Panthene 400 mls shampoo £3.89 x 2 = £7.78
Colgate toothpaste £2 x 2 = £4.00.
Total spend £11.78.

£2.50 DM voucher kicks in now as "spent" over £10

Both items are of BOGOF, bringing bring price down to £5.89
DM voucher brings total down to £3.39

Right? Hope so
Hilly
xxx

Yes you right Hilly. MOC sees the amount before BOGOF. 2 items at £5 each on BOGOF you get £2.50 moc and £5 off for BOGOF so £10's worth of products for £2.50.

Freefall

DomtheMon wrote: »

It wouldn't render it obsolete, it would just mean internet coupons were treated differently.

OK. I shall rephrase: It would render the policy almost obsolete since the majority of coupons that people use (even legitimately within Tesco's own policy) are internet coupons. That is part of the electronic, high-tech world we live in.

I know of some stores that won't even accept internet coupons at all, not even against the product, they just point blank refuse them.

Perhaps. However, that's a minority of stores.

The problem with the unlimited ones is that people are printing loads off. Taking the mickey. At least with genuine manufacturer MOC's if you buy them off ebay even they were printed in a defined quantity. Saying that the manufacturer "allows you" to print off 100's is missing the point, the manufacturer only does this because as long as you buy the product they'd be happy to print off millions!

I think this misses the point. This generally isn't a problem as long as Tesco's sell a lot of the product. Most people have jobs, etc (including us couponers ) therefore, the problem of "multiple trips, etc" where people use thousands of pounds worth of coupons in a week is a problem limited to very few people.

Also normal mocs usually involve a product being purchased initially which is either a limited run magazine or product featuring the MOC. Not an open ended free for all.

Not really relevant or correct unfortunately. The truth is (in a world where in practice the coupon must be used against the product) I am almost certain that a very small percentage of coupons produced in magazines or stuck to the side of a product are in actual fact redeemed. However, where they can be redeemed in line with Tesco's current policy the amount redeemed will radically increase. If all internet coupons are as much of a problem as you suggest (which I seriously doubt given the fact that Tesco seem keen to continue accepting them if possible) then if they were banned the "problem" would just shift to to coupons which are printed in a magazine. Which are not particularly "limited run" (a £2 coupon in a 50p newspaper is a profitable and can be bought-in in bulk.

Its the internet ones causing the problems, fraud is the problem with these. Sadly I feel as long as people use them fraudulently then a ban is the only way to protect the core genuine MOC policy. I appreciate that will stick in some peoples gullets, but it would stick even worse if they changed to be like Sainsbury's, wouldn't it?!

But there is no sign of them doing so... They are taking all these measures to ensure only the correct coupons are being accepted. This means overall the

At least my suggestion of just banning couponnet/couponstar would not have the adverse effect of ruining the policy for the vast majority of legitimate couponers.

I still stick by what I see. A blanket ban on all internet coupons is unfavourable for couponers as a whole and potentially detrimental for many.

KarenBB

As Tesco and CIF, Domestos don't know who has used the pdf moc's I don't see why T's wouldn't be getting paid for them. I would have thought they sell more of the products than there are coupons used but I could be underestimating how many coupons are used.

hillybilly22

KarenBB wrote: »

Yes you right Hilly. MOC sees the amount before BOGOF. 2 items at £5 each on BOGOF you get £2.50 moc and £5 off for BOGOF so £10's worth of products for £2.50.

Thanks Karen :beer:. Just what I wanted to hear:j.