Housing benefit rate if under 25 but living as a couple??

Angel89_2

Metranil_Vavin wrote: »

dont you have some family who can help you out?

No. .

Gemmzie

Angel, have you looked into sheltered housing? If you are made redundant and get JSA and end up homeless then there is help. You won't be on the street.

Macro_3

Angel89 wrote: »

Yes 'pretending to be a couple' would be fraud,
if i claimed we were a couple,
but then we lived apart and not together as a couple.


However moving a relationship to the stage of 'becoming a couple', no matter what your personal reasons for having become a couple isnt fraud.

Well if you twist the situation enough, you may be able to convince yourself it's not fraud, but either way it's certainly not moral. You are using a child (and don't even argue that a 16-year old is not a child, she is) to gain access to a higher rate of benefits. I'd personally rather live in the gutter and retain my dignity and self respect than let myself sink so low. The system isn't very fair to under 25's, I agree, but that doesn't give you the right to commit fraud and use someone else in order to do so.

It's quite possible, by the way, that you could have your LHA payments topped up to meet/help meet your full rent in other (legal) ways.

Angel89_2

Look we all aren't ever going to be able to come to an agreement about the 'morals' of this,
and im honestly not here to argue with people behind screens, as it just wastes their evening and mine.

I started this thread because i need some quite urgent advice, thats all.


Fair enough, i do agree that the route which i have to take isnt the most 'high morals' one,
(i would much prefer to just be able to get the rate for a single person (no age factors) renting a small single bed property, instead of having to go through the whole process of getting a partner and becoming a couple with them,
and then going to council and being able to get the 1bed flat rate.


But like you say 'There are rules, we dont like them, but we have to keep in them to avoid criminality outcomes'.

And so thats exactly what im doing.
The only difference is instead of just lying down and letting 1set of the rules screw my life over and giving up there,
im simply just looking very very closely at the rules, making sure i know every single one of them since i dont want to break any of them and so i make sure i know all of them.

And then i just make the best of how those rules are, so i can keep myself going, while making sure i dont break any of the rules though as i have no intention of breaking them.

Angel89_2

Macro wrote: »

Well if you twist the situation enough, you may be able to convince yourself it's not fraud, but either way it's certainly not moral. You are using a child (and don't even argue that a 16-year old is not a child, she is) to gain access to a higher rate of benefits. I'd personally rather live in the gutter and retain my dignity and self respect than let myself sink so low. The system isn't very fair to under 25's, I agree, but that doesn't give you the right to commit fraud and use someone else in order to do so.

It's quite possible, by the way, that you could have your LHA payments topped up to meet/help meet your full rent in other (legal) ways.

I already decided that i wouldnt have that 16year old move in with me,
since when i looked into it i saw that she would have to give up her college course to move here,
and i honestly am not some kinda nasty person or someone whos willing to ruin peoples lives even if it meant that my own would benefit.


So if i have to do this i will be getting back together with a companion of mine from a few months ago, whos fine and happy to be a couple with me as we do get on well together,
and is aware and understands the financials involved in it. :undecided



I honestly do hope that i dont have to go back to benefits at all though.

I would love it if my job could just be normal and give me even the basic minimum hours on the rota for next month and the following months,
so i can keep just scraping by on the salary,
until i eventually manage to get a dfferent job.


But this is my life.
Im not just some screen name, im an actual person with an actual body and actual stomach that hurts when its hungry and has no food, and real skin that feels coldness and shivers when i have nowhere to go to be warm and safe.

So no matter how immoral something may or may not be, my 1st concern has to be to look after myself no matter what it takes. :sad:

Metranil_Vavin

I think you're perhaps being a lttle overdramatic.

I doubt very much yoiu're in danger or either starving or freezing to death

Angel89_2

Metranil_Vavin wrote: »

I think you're perhaps being a lttle overdramatic.

I doubt very much yoiu're in danger or either starving or freezing to death

Im not at the moment since i have my flat to live in, with income coming in.

But UNLESS next week my boss calls me and says ''hi ive now done the rota for next month for you and so you back to normal shifts'',
then when end of august comes i will have no money at all to pay my rent so will endup homeless then, since i will lose my home.

And i have under £15 in my bank account currently, with a weekly food budget of under £3 per day, and so unless i find a big sack of money then when i go into the shop to try buying food and dont have the money there then yes i will endup starving, since things ownt just work themself out and change for the better later that day.
The opposite will happen and my stomach will hurt more and more and i will feel sicker and sicker, but sill no money will appear in my pocket.



Im not trying to be dramatic,
but losing your income and home is a very dramatic thing to happen, and when you look at the actual reality of what happens as it happens theres not really an 'undramatic' way of describing it.

NASA_2

Might be worth looking into some of the local hostels - Simon Community etc. - will maybe help you be prepared for what seems unavoidable right now.

Ames

You can feed yourself for much less than £3 a day.

It will take months at least to be evicted.

Breast_Cancer_Survivor

Angel89 wrote: »

Im not at the moment since i have my flat to live in, with income coming in.

But UNLESS next week my boss calls me and says ''hi ive now done the rota for next month for you and so you back to normal shifts'',
then when end of august comes i will have no money at all to pay my rent so will endup homeless then, since i will lose my home.

And i have under £15 in my bank account currently, with a weekly food budget of under £3 per day, and so unless i find a big sack of money then when i go into the shop to try buying food and dont have the money there then yes i will endup starving, since things ownt just work themself out and change for the better later that day.
The opposite will happen and my stomach will hurt more and more and i will feel sicker and sicker, but sill no money will appear in my pocket.



Im not trying to be dramatic,
but losing your income and home is a very dramatic thing to happen, and when you look at the actual reality of what happens as it happens theres not really an 'undramatic' way of describing it.

Im sure that on another of your recent posts you were trying to get your landlord to lower your rent when your current contract runs out next month on the basis that the flat next door was being advertised for alot less than yours.

How did you get on?

Could you not give your notice & move out when your contract ends onto a cheaper place whilst things are unsettled & your struggling financially?