What does 15% of my salary pay for?

Emma1973

I've never understand why my disabled resident daughter apparently costs less than my non-disabled non-resident son!
I've asked, but never quite got a good answer........................

mitchaa

Why are people including rent/council tax and all other household bills?

You would have these regardless, children or no children so no portion of maintenance should go towards these costs especially if the NRP is on welfare benefits:rolleyes:

Electricity and gas, if its cold, the heating goes on for the whole house, not just a childs bedroom:rolleyes: If cooking by gas, you will obviously cook your own dinner and bundle the childs in with yours. Electricity, 95% will be normal everyday electricity anyway, fridge and freezer whizzes round the clock 24/7. Child electricity/gas costs are negligible and then what amount they do use over and above everyday use must be proportioned 50/50 so, so small that its not even bothering mentioning.

Furniture/carpets:eek: What about costs for the gardener, window cleaner and milkman? I mean the child will play out in the garden look through windows and drink milk so why not charge the NRP for this also:rolleyes:

Some people really are sad if they use all this nonsense to justify the costs to an NRP.

Never read so much bolloc*s in all my life. The PWC fails to mention all the child related benefits they are likely to see that will cover most of a childs costs in its entirety itself.

The only thing that keeps me smiling is that 1 day, it all comes to an end and if said PWC was use to a handful of child benefits and maintenance in his/her budget then 1 day they are in for a nasty surprise when it all stops:D I hate moneygrabbers who use children just for financial reasons. I know plenty of woman living the lifes of luxury off of child maintenance.

Those i know that do not receive child maintenance for whatever reason still live a comfortable life off the welfare system.

Its a take take take society that we live in.

frugallass wrote: »

Here's my list - I have highlighted in red what I believe her father's contribution should go towards:-

Toiletries (shampoo, shower gel, deodorant, toothpaste, tampax etc)
Rent
Council Tax
Electric
Gas
Furniture
Carpets
Water
Food and drink
Treats (chocolate / magazines)
Spending Money for socialising (coffee + cake)
Swimming / cinema / bowling
School lunch money
School trips
School uniform
Stationery
Books
Entertainment (ipod, dvds)
Hairdryers / straighteners
Glasses
Bags
Shoes
Clothes / Underwear

Council tax, since when did children count towards council tax? If you lived alone you would get a 25% reduction, if you live with a partner its 100%, if you are unemployed, its free so where on earth does child costs fit into council tax? Take the child away you would be in the exact same situation:rolleyes: So what you are saying here is that you expect your ex to pay your council tax? Why? This mentality confirms why the use of the word moneygrabber is thrown around.

You will receive CB and possibly CTC that the NRP will not so have you deducted these amounts from your list above?

CB of £20pw so £80 every 4wks i would imagine would cover half that list alone, never mind CTC on top.

I wont go into all your other fantasy items, furniture and carpets:eek:

stevectaylor

In general I have no issue with the principle of CSA but the one that gets me is the 15% accross the board, say that you ex's attitude held you back from your career then you succeed in life after split, then why should the ex benefit through this success?

She could manage previously.

Thankfully or not... I'm not in the category for career sucess!!!!

withabix

I happily (?) pay my 20% less 1/7 for the upkeep of the children I had with the wrong person. :rolleyes:

It does pee me off though when I see my (non working) ex-wife puffing away on fags or swilling lager, when my kids have got no clothes that fit and haven't had a shower because 'the gas card ran out' :mad: or that I will 'have to pick them up' because there is no petrol in the car (and she's got a bad hangover from the pub last night...) :mad: or that they didn't have any breakfast/lunch/tea because 'mum needed fags'. :mad:

It strikes me that I'm not paying to support my kids....

Surely she is responsible for 50% of their care, be it financial (paying for stuff) or material (looking after them) or a combination of both.

My ex does neither!

spa2k

mitchaa wrote: »

Why are people including rent/council tax and all other household bills?

You would have these regardless, children or no children so no portion of maintenance should go towards these costs especially if the NRP is on welfare benefits:rolleyes:

Electricity and gas, if its cold, the heating goes on for the whole house, not just a childs bedroom:rolleyes: If cooking by gas, you will obviously cook your own dinner and bundle the childs in with yours. Electricity, 95% will be normal everyday electricity anyway, fridge and freezer whizzes round the clock 24/7. Child electricity/gas costs are negligible and then what amount they do use over and above everyday use must be proportioned 50/50 so, so small that its not even bothering mentioning.

Furniture/carpets:eek: What about costs for the gardener, window cleaner and milkman? I mean the child will play out in the garden look through windows and drink milk so why not charge the NRP for this also:rolleyes:

Some people really are sad if they use all this nonsense to justify the costs to an NRP.

Never read so much bolloc*s in all my life. The PWC fails to mention all the child related benefits they are likely to see that will cover most of a childs costs in its entirety itself.

The only thing that keeps me smiling is that 1 day, it all comes to an end and if said PWC was use to a handful of child benefits and maintenance in his/her budget then 1 day they are in for a nasty surprise when it all stops:D I hate moneygrabbers who use children just for financial reasons. I know plenty of woman living the lifes of luxury off of child maintenance.

Those i know that do not receive child maintenance for whatever reason still live a comfortable life off the welfare system.

Its a take take take society that we live in.

You beat me to it!!! I was just about to have a vent and pretty much post the same as you, my ex is on benefits so not only is she (rightly) getting the child maintenance she is getting my tax money as well. She even had the cheek to complain when i had my boy for 8 weeks and kept the maintenance money. What really annoys me is that she is so rubbish with things that he phones me every other week asking for money for trainers, haircuts, lunch money, money for school trips etc. She gets far more than he cost me to keep when he stayed with me, she pays no rent or council tax for her house and still takes the absolute pi$$ saying she has no money. I too am looking forward to the day it ends and have only a couple of years to wait, the money i give to her will then go directly on him, perhaps to pay for driving lessons or some such expense.

I have no problem with the CSA, i went to them myself asking them how much i should pay and as it happens i was paying well over the odds. I personally think that the CSA should not only be responsible for collecting money but also checking that said collections are in fact being spent on the child that they are meant for.

i_hate_the_csa

It's must be a fact that some PWC would live in a tent if they did'nt have children.

delain

withabix wrote: »

I happily (?) pay my 20% less 1/7 for the upkeep of the children I had with the wrong person. :rolleyes:

It does pee me off though when I see my (non working) ex-wife puffing away on fags or swilling lager, when my kids have got no clothes that fit and haven't had a shower because 'the gas card ran out' :mad: or that I will 'have to pick them up' because there is no petrol in the car (and she's got a bad hangover from the pub last night...) :mad: or that they didn't have any breakfast/lunch/tea because 'mum needed fags'. :mad:

It strikes me that I'm not paying to support my kids....

Surely she is responsible for 50% of their care, be it financial (paying for stuff) or material (looking after them) or a combination of both.

My ex does neither!

This kind of behavior really winds me up... My mum lived with an alcoholic for 8 years and we had nothing, any clothes i had were cast offs, i could never go on school trips, we were on the at risk register. Then after he moves out she hit the bottle herself and did little but got to work for 6 years and she went out of control when at home :rolleyes:

But as my Dad had f***ed off with someone else then elected not to see me or my brother we were left to deal with this on our own... No help, no money, nothing. Presumably at the request of his new wife he hid all his income from the CSA and we never had a penny.

You guys all seem to think that dodging your responsibility is clever, i can assure you it robbed me of both my childhood and my adolescence, as i'd be woken in the middle of the night by my mum coming in to yell at me about how my Dad didn't pay...

The CSA is there for a reason, much as you don't like it it stops kids from having a childhood like mine.

For goodness sake grow up. And if the PWC's behaviour is really that bad, think of your kids take her to court and get residency.

Wish my Dad had bothered!

gratefulforhelp_2

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Hi

I accept that (for one child) the CSA guidelines state that the NRP should/must pay 15% of his/her income as child support. I am interested in your views as to what this money pays for (in my case it pays for horses but that's another story!).

What does the PWC pay for that the NRP doesn't pay for?

GG

In my case, the NRP pays for nothing, the PWC for everything. 15 % doesn't even cover half the childcare costs.

Gorgeous_George

delain wrote: »

... And if the PWC's behaviour is really that bad, think of your kids take her to court and get residency.

Wish my Dad had bothered!

I paid a considerable sum (to a solicitor) just to get access when they were younger because she used my kids as ammunition - effectively holding them hostage. She probably ain't that bad so to get custody would be nigh on impossible in our Courts.

Now she lives many miles away and I see my son rarely - but I keep a welcome for him and, perhaps, I spoil him a little. The good thing is, I see her even less.

How she manages her three houses I'll never know (well, I have an idea).

GG

p.s. Your dad is an aers (anagram).

McKneff

delain wrote: »

This kind of behavior really winds me up... My mum lived with an alcoholic for 8 years and we had nothing, any clothes i had were cast offs, i could never go on school trips, we were on the at risk register. Then after he moves out she hit the bottle herself and did little but got to work for 6 years and she went out of control when at home :rolleyes:

But as my Dad had f***ed off with someone else then elected not to see me or my brother we were left to deal with this on our own... No help, no money, nothing. Presumably at the request of his new wife he hid all his income from the CSA and we never had a penny.

You guys all seem to think that dodging your responsibility is clever, i can assure you it robbed me of both my childhood and my adolescence, as i'd be woken in the middle of the night by my mum coming in to yell at me about how my Dad didn't pay...

The CSA is there for a reason, much as you don't like it it stops kids from having a childhood like mine.

For goodness sake grow up. And if the PWC's behaviour is really that bad, think of your kids take her to court and get residency.

Wish my Dad had bothered!

I just wanted to say more than just hitting the thanks button.
You said what i wanted to say much better than i was going to.
and also the bit about the custody. If i thought my kids were being as badly treated as that i have them to court in a heartbeat. It would cost me more than the 15% to keep them but at least they would be safe mentally and physically. I grew up like you did but i had both parents
who's priority was fags, then beer, then maybe us 4 kids unless something else got in the way.
Good luck, you seem to have grown into a fine articulate young man/woman in spite or despite it all.