disciplinary advice please (social networking - misconduct), sackable?

Uncertain

Horace wrote: »

One wonders why sjaypink is so concerned and why he/she is involving him/herself in something that has absolutely nothing to do with them - yes, he/she claims to be acting for a friend but I am starting to smell a rat - why on earth would you want to check on whether or not mr x has his own social networking page or are you a bully like your friend?

People post on this site for advice, not judgement!

Most of the responses to this thread are the latter.

Unless you have access to the Facebook (or whatever) page in question you can have no idea whether there is something quite awful or something so mild that only the most oversensitive person could take issue.

It is also possible that there is a real history here. OK, two wrongs never make a right but one can be real mitigation for the other.

Equally, there COULD be a "let's find a cable to trip over then sue" attitude for all we know.

The OP (or friend) has found themselves in a very difficult position. I imagine what they want is some positive advice about how to best limit the damage. Not a naughty child style telling off from people that don't know the full facts.

ceridwen

sjaypink wrote: »

however, just in case, im off to search out mr x's bebo page- see if i can print out any counter evidence in case anyone does try any compensation routes....:A

:eek: - !!!! - well...I'm glad I'm not Mr X all round....

zzzLazyDaisy

Uncertain wrote: »

The OP (or friend) has found themselves in a very difficult position. I imagine what they want is some positive advice about how to best limit the damage. Not a naughty child style telling off from people that don't know the full facts.

If you read OP's first post, you will see that what she wanted to know is whether the alleged misconduct could be a sackable offence.

For all sorts of reasons, discussed in this thread, including the fact that (on the information given by OP) such behaviour almost certainly amounts to unlawful discrimination, the conduct (as described by OP) could indeed be a sackable offence.

ceridwen

I also think a bit of sympathy for Mr X and his "difficulties" would not go amiss from O.P.

I know its harder to feel sympathies for someone when they're a lot less "presentable" than I think the perpetrator of this "offence" is - but - in fairness....Mr X has enough to cope with anyway and probably a lot less "personal" support from friends.

Zazen999

sjaypink wrote: »

yes, i do appreciate the stupidity here, truly. i also know, that these are the actions of individuals, and not directly the 'fault' of managers/ head office/ the company in general. i was just saying it is obviously not a wise idea as far as i can see, that the company encourage any further action by mr x, given the circumstances. however, just in case, im off to search out mr x's bebo page- see if i can print out any counter evidence in case anyone does try any compensation routes....:A

I take it you are looking for evidence that Mr X is being as friendly and fun with your 'friend' as your 'friend' was to him....can you not see that it doesn't matter what the 'friend' wrote, he is in a higher position than him and thus should act professionally......do you really think that a counter claim in any form would ever be a positive thing for your 'friend'?

sjaypink

Horace wrote: »

One wonders why sjaypink is so concerned and why he/she is involving him/herself in something that has absolutely nothing to do with them

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: its called helping a friend? do you not have any of those horace?

ceridwen wrote: »

I also think a bit of sympathy for Mr X and his "difficulties" would not go amiss from O.P

i do feel for what has hapenned to mr x, i would hate to be victim (or be involved) in such 'jokes'.
however, this is not really my interest on this thread. if you mean 'difficulties' as his disibility, then yes, i do think of that also- i dont know how pc it is to 'scale' someones disibility, but he has adhd, and presumably some form of minor learning difficulty also, but still went to mainstream school, took part in all mainstream lessons and activities, has good friends, a social life etc. that I KNOW makes nothing here ok, but i dont feel as though he is disabled to an extent that he has been a continuous target for bullying by heartless malicious colleagues (as has been suggested throughout the thread)
that said though of course if i see him i will make it very clear that i do not find the other colleagues behaviour acceptable at all, and of course wish him well.

Zazen999 wrote: »

I take it you are looking for evidence that Mr X is being as friendly and fun with your 'friend' as your 'friend' was to him....can you not see that it doesn't matter what the 'friend' wrote, he is in a higher position than him and thus should act professionally......do you really think that a counter claim in any form would ever be a positive thing for your 'friend'?

i think that a defence, in case someone sees £££ signs and thinks that a compensation claim is worth chasing, is most definately a positive action, yes!

that is what your quoted post was in reply to: horaces suggestion that sacking was not enough, and that a personal claim by mr x should be encouraged- i detest the compensation culture in this country- and obviously knowing a lot more about the situation than horace, i truly feel that a compensation claim in this case would be rather outrageous- nothing wrong in my mind to gather evidence as to why it is so outrageous

Snuggles

sjaypink wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: its called helping a friend? do you not have any of those horace?

Well each to their own, but I wouldn't be rushing to help or advise a friend who had done this, and there is something quite distasteful about your eagerness to find "counter evidence" against Mr X.

sjaypink

Snuggles wrote: »

Well each to their own, but I wouldn't be rushing to help or advise a friend who had done this, and there is something quite distasteful about your eagerness to find "counter evidence" against Mr X.

well i guess knowing more about him than i could possibly try to explain on an internet forum, i do not wish to see him ruined because of a genuine, but undoubtedly thoughtless, and stupid mistake. i think a sacking would be just, but if i am to be honest, mention of how he should also be persued for money he doesnt have after he loses his job and possibly his flat, has got my back up somewhat. this is obviously again because i have knowledge of the wider context. we have all made mistakes im sure- whether we like to admit it or not. thankfully friends and family have been there to pick me up after making many myself. i dread to think where id be today if they had not offerred their help- you dont have to agree with or even understand someones actions in order to make yourself available for support if needed :A

i am not eager to find counter evidence for the fun of it, but i know that there is material available that will aid any defence if somebody does decide to chase money, and so i will obtain that just in case. to be clear, this is not in defence of the work allegations, which i have already agreed a dismissal will most likely be appropriate, but only if a personal claim is entered into (although i very, very much doubt it)

onlyforboards_2

I am utterly amazed the op does not see these actions as bullying as well as childish and unprofessional.

Why on earth would someone create a profile to joke about a workmate where other workmates can join in and elaborate on this joke knowing that the subject of the joke does not take part.

Really great office banter that.


Who would want to work in an environment where that behavior is the norm? What outside businesses would want to get involved with a company who allows that kind of behavior?

There are so many reasons for your friend to lose their job over this.

sjaypink

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onlyforboards wrote: »

I am utterly amazed the op does not see these actions as bullying as well as childish and unprofessional.

not sure you have read the whole thread?!

i have already accepted that it was indeed childish, immature, and could constitute bullying.

i think we have all agreed now a sacking is most likely, and the most appropriate action

eta: off topic i know.... but seriously does everyone in the country- apart from those in my town- work in offices? in a completely pc environment? genuine question because although i know such working practices should be in place, i have rarely been employed anywhere which enforces them to the extent i gather from this thread that they should be enforced?! i think i have at least half a dozen compensation claims pending!