CSA Have caught me!!

bdt1

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Donedoindebt, they'd certainly do a better job, and our assessments????????? There's always a chance they would be at least somewhere accurate,well, lets face it at the moment that would be a bonus, I say vote for Laurel and Hardy :T

Maclain

Ok, So an update on this one.

I've had a very strongly worded reminder of the amount I owe to the CSA. The amount is for time spent on JSA and it totals £303.16

The letter, which is my first contact from them, talks about extensive legal powers and seizing property, freezing bank accounts and imprisonment. A nice way to introduce themselves to me.

I'm tempted to write back to the asking for a statement of charges and confirmation of the assessment done at the time, As someone stated earlier in the post that you can only be on a deductible JSA for a maximum of six months. So a statement can do no harm as if this is correct I should owe around £130.00?

They have also sent me a form to fill in for a new assessment. This is asking for wage slips for the period 07/07/09 to 13/07/09 (initial point of contact) and the 5 previous weeks beforehand.

Now I have recently worked a lot of overtime which I assume they will take into account when doing their calculations. This overtime is slowing and could stop very abruptly, should this happen, i will not have the income to cover payments calculated on a much higher income. How does this affect their assessment?

Whats annoying me most about this, is the monies they will take are not going to go to my daughter, and it will mean I actually have less money available to spend on her. So, what the CSA are actually doing, is taking money from my daughter, rather than obtaining her some extra. Excellent. :mad:

marksoton

Maclain wrote: »

Ok, So an update on this one.

I've had a very strongly worded reminder of the amount I owe to the CSA. The amount is for time spent on JSA and it totals £303.16

The letter, which is my first contact from them, talks about extensive legal powers and seizing property, freezing bank accounts and imprisonment. A nice way to introduce themselves to me.
Standard letter, and the usual way the CSA assume every NRP will not pay. :rolleyes:
I'm tempted to write back to the asking for a statement of charges and confirmation of the assessment done at the time, As someone stated earlier in the post that you can only be on a deductible JSA for a maximum of six months. So a statement can do no harm as if this is correct I should owe around £130.00? Good luck. You can but they won't wait for it before they start demanding the arrears.

They have also sent me a form to fill in for a new assessment. This is asking for wage slips for the period 07/07/09 to 13/07/09 (initial point of contact) and the 5 previous weeks beforehand. I still don't understand this. It would appear the case never closed. I suspect you are in for a shock. There is a 3/4 year period where you were working and did not pay anything to the CSA. They will realise eventually !

Now I have recently worked a lot of overtime which I assume they will take into account when doing their calculations. This overtime is slowing and could stop very abruptly, should this happen, i will not have the income to cover payments calculated on a much higher income. How does this affect their assessment? If the overtime reduces or stops get a reassessment.

Whats annoying me most about this, is the monies they will take are not going to go to my daughter, and it will mean I actually have less money available to spend on her. So, what the CSA are actually doing, is taking money from my daughter, rather than obtaining her some extra. Excellent. :mad:
No they are recouping taxpayers money that has already gone to the household your daughter lives in. Sorry but i pay for my daughter i don't fancy paying for yours too !

You need to be careful OP. I have a strong suspicion they are going to catch up with you for those missed years.

Maclain

marksoton wrote: »

You need to be careful OP. I have a strong suspicion they are going to catch up with you for those missed years.

That to be honest that is my fear. And the main reason for me thinking just pay what they have asked for.

I see your point on the taxpayers money being recouped. But in my case, i pay my taxes, I provide pritty much everything my daughter need. So the taxpayers money going into that household is hardly used for my daughters upbringing.

Still, I dont have issues with paying as such, its the law and I completely understand why it exists, I'm just a little annoyed that there is a generic calculation for everyone, where there are some huge differences in situations.

Such is life!

EDIT: Could a MOD please alter this thread title to "More CSA Advice for NRP" Please.

Ta!

CRANKY40

An assessment can only be done from the time that they are notified of a change. Also, do you and your ex partner realise that even though she is on benefits, she no longer has to use the CSA service. She can call and ask for the case to be closed which would leave you free to continue with your previous agreement.

Any payments for your new assessment will go direct to your ex partner, who is then expected to declare the maintenance and have her benefit deducted by the appropriate amount....

butlinsmum

As far as I am aware you are legally obliged to tell the CSA when you start working within 30 days or can risk being fined anyway

butlinsmum x

Maclain

CRANKY40 wrote: »

An assessment can only be done from the time that they are notified of a change. Also, do you and your ex partner realise that even though she is on benefits, she no longer has to use the CSA service. She can call and ask for the case to be closed which would leave you free to continue with your previous agreement.

Any payments for your new assessment will go direct to your ex partner, who is then expected to declare the maintenance and have her benefit deducted by the appropriate amount....

So, even though she is on benifits, she can still ask for the case to be closed. And then we could arrange a private agreement outside of the CSA? even if this means that no monies are paid directly to my ex? IE I continue to provide for and to my daughter only and not to my ex.

This would mean there is no payments for her to declare, correct?

Maclain

So here is my train of thought in light of this.

If my ex informs the CSA she no longer requires their involvement, and asks for the case to be closed. I then continue to purchase and pay for my daughters needs, ie clothing, stuff for school, trips etc and give my daughter an allowance, would this allowance have to be declared by my ex? I would not be paying it to my ex, but to my daughter directly.

Also, what impact would me providing my daughters essentials have on my ex's income?

I have briefly spoken to her about this. She instantly came back with anything you give me we have to declare and it comes off our income, I cant afford that. I obviously pointed out the fact that she would not be loosing out on anything, as what she didnt receive in benifits she would be receiving from me.

I also pointed out that if the CSA continue with with this line of enquirey and make a direct deduction from me, I would not be financially able to pay for clothing, shoes trips and general day to day things for my daughter anymore, and she would have to take this on. This, I do not want to happen as my daughter would simply loose out.

I would like to find a way through this without causing her issues with her income, whilst still providing for my daughter.

Any thoughts anyone?

joanneg_2

bdt1 wrote: »

Joanneg, do you say that the child allowance is payable for all children to include step-children in the NRP household?

We are on CS1 have 4 children in our household 2 joint children and 2 step-children ( my wife's 2 children to her 1st husband)?

Just our account breakdown is very scanty - won't go into it, but we didn't have a child allowance as CSA deny there are any children in our household - i've told them to come and inspect my laundry basket - totally stupid! But why am I not surprised :rolleyes:

Thats just shocking! If you receive child benefit for your children they can look on their system and confirm that your children exist and should backdate their assessments accordingly.

As far as I'm aware only the NRPs biological children receive a child allowance under CSA 1 but in their child maintenance assessment leaflet it mentions something about other children living with the NRP and if they received child maintenance an allowance can be given. I'd maybe double check that if I was you.

skibadee

My husband is on CSA1.....when MY childen were dependents [they lived with us ] an allowance was made for them when my husbands assessment for payments to his ex were calculated.

Also even if your ex and yourself were able to come to a private arrangement, I think I'm right in saying..that you will still have to pay arrears as these are due to SOS as your ex is on benefits.