Parking Ticket on French Car...

worried_jim

I wouldn't worry too much about it and just use the car normally, even if the police stop him and were in a position to issue a fine or penalty notice as soon as he told them he lived abroad any decent copper would just send him on his way and not bother.

BubbleFrogette

Thanks for the info people. The car is kept on a private drive. Its an 11 year old twingo that we keep for running around in France and the UK car is a brand new Audi TT so there is no danger we will be using the French car for driving around here!! It will be on its way home soon....

Poppy9

Is he going to pay the parking ticket?

MissMoneypenny

BubbleFrogette wrote: »

Thanks for the info people. The car is kept on a private drive. Its an 11 year old twingo that we keep for running around in France and the UK car is a brand new Audi TT so there is no danger we will be using the French car for driving around here!! It will be on its way home soon....

His parking ticket has potentially saved him a lot more money.;)

Coblcris

Missmoneypenny, I specifically stated " I suggest people read the complete page ".
I find you post most on the previous page disengenuous.
Only a vehicle "that is permanently imported for use in Great Britain (GB) must be registered and taxed as soon as possible after it arrives in the country".
Note permanent, this applies to imported vehicles.
Residence is not established until the 185 days qualifying period is complete in my opinion. This is also the same qualifying period that applies to other other statute such as tax liability.
The DVLA has pushed for a while to be able get money out of foreign plated cars with the usual 'untaxed, uninsured, danger to the public' stories.
Arguably until a vehicle is registered with the DVLA then the DVLA have no 'interest' or 'standing' and if anything it is a matter for the police. Just as it would be for a day tripper from the EU coming over. Which is exactly why they try to extract their pound of flesh by pursuing foreign drivers abroad via the Transport Bill.
I suggest people take a very close look at the V62 form and see it for what it really is. take note of the layout - creditor debtor, the place for the DVLA stamp in a broken box, the box around the signature for the applicant (which should always be crossed though with two 45 degree lines in my opinion) and also check out in a law dictionary what 'registration' and 'application' can mean. Then interpret those two words as you should according to the maxims of law - in the context of what the form really is.
But that is a side issue to this thread, I would argue it is a big issue nevertheless.

mrcol1000

Most councils get their info from DVLA who won't hold any data on French Plates. The police can trace French cars through Interpol but unless the car was involved in the theft of the crown jewels from the Tower I doubt they will bother.

MissMoneypenny

Coblcris wrote: »

Missmoneypenny, I specifically stated " I suggest people read the complete page ".
I find you post most on the previous page disengenuous.
Only a vehicle "that is permanently imported for use in Great Britain (GB) must be registered and taxed as soon as possible after it arrives in the country".
Note permanent, this applies to imported vehicles.

Coblcris, the OP has already confirmed her OH is a resident in this country and as a resident, has to register the car in this country and insure it here, if they are using it in the UK.

Coblcris wrote: »

Residence is not established until the 185 days qualifying period is complete in my opinion.

Members of most EU countries and British passport holders who live outside the EU can ask for residency from day one of their arrival in the UK. They have to prove that they will be making their life here. They then qualify for everything that a UK resident can have from day one, such as free healthcare. *
As a resident, they do not get 185 days to use their foreign regisered car in the uk as the link clearly stated they have to register their cars here and get uk insurance if they are a resident.

A blanket 185 days for using their foreign registered car in the UK as you seemed to state, does not exist.

The opening posters other half cannot use his French registered car here, as the OP has already confirmed that he is a resident of the UK.

I hope that is clearer now.

*British passport holders living outside the EU for more than a specified time, do not get uk university fees at uk rates, until they have been resident in the UK or another EU country for 3 years just before attending university.

Coblcris

I disagree strongly with missmoneypeeny. Once again i recommend people go and actually read the page linked to - which is not statute.
There are international agreements which provide for the temporary use of a vehicle in a foreign country for a limited time, usually 6 months in a 12 month period. It is the responsibility of the driver to prove how long the vehicle has been in the country. A visitor to the U.K. may use a vehicle displaying foreign plates, provided that all taxes (including vehicle excise duty) are paid in their country of origin. Once a vehicle has been registered in the U.K. it must display a current Vehicle Excise Licence and if over three years old be submitted for a Ministry of Transport Test.

efkay

Like Coblcris, I too strongly disagree with missmoneypenny. As a permanent resident of France I can bring and use my French registered car to the UK for up to 6 months at a time - whether I live/work here or not and subject to being insured in France and having a valid Contrôle Technique, the equivalent of an MOT. (We don't have Road Fund Taxes). If my continued stay is going to be more than 6months, 182 days to be exact, I would be deemed to be fiscally resident in the UK and would then have to go through the motions of putting my French car onto the UK register. The reciprocal arrangements apply to UK registered cars in France. Period.

Bubblefrogette, please don't lose any sleep over this parking fine - seeing as this was your original question - as there's a 99.9% chance that they won't follow it up. It's true that certain counties' policeforces are working with their French counterparts in and around the channel ports, but they are more focused on HGV traffic infringements than private cars.

Coblcris

Thank you efkay. Those international agreements have some uses.
One might think that missmoneypenny works for the DVLA but such strident disagreement with the facts would surely eliminate that possibility..