Swarovski crystal bad for aniamls !

Jennifer_Jane

Apologies to squeek, but I am with DKLS on hunting to eat and do enjoy pheasant, venison, ostrich and so on. There is also culling to keep the balance of nature, and whilst this saddens me, I understand that it is necessary.

I'm completely with DKLS on the horror of 'canned hunting' which is an abomination.

Jen
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squeek

moonrakerz wrote: »

I have not missed the point.

Just about every company in the land has links to some unsavoury practices - this is a fact of life.
If you wish to boycott a particular company - fine, but please don't try and persuade others that your moral stance should be followed by all. Your argument is totally unsound.

if you look at my first post you will see this is just an information thread, i am not telling anyone what to do, its up to people if they tell friends and family, its a matter of choice, so please dont tell me what i can and cant post here, and thats your opinion, we are all entitled to our own. my argument with swarovski is not unsound in my opinion.
oh and i dont beilieve every company inthe land has links to unsavoury practices.

Whitewillow_2

What about socks? you buy a nice pair of lovely warm winter socks to keep yout tootsies from freezing in the cold months, yet shock horror, a hunter may wish to buy the exact same brand of socks to also relish in that cosy toed feeling while he is stalking his next meal in a field at 3am in the morning!
Lol sorry to make a joke, but DKLS is right.

Mistymaid

I think, Squeek, you've got to look at these things on balance because broad brush stroking anything doesn't give your argument validity.

Okay, so the company makes glass animals and sells to people who like them (Let's keep out the fact that people are doing damage to the environment in their desire to own 'trinkets,' shall we?)

But guns do good as well as harm (I wouldn't like US gun laws to be imposed here)
Take the farmers who kill rabbits with them. Nice things bunnies, I like 'em. BUT, and you being a vegan should understand this, they eat the veggies. I live in an area where there are few natural preditors for bunnies (although I did see a seagull hunt one down last week) and they absolutely decimate the farm land. Also when they reach certain population densities, they get myxi (terrible cruel disease).
So, we don't cull them, and they a) eat the crops, and/or, bee) get myxi and die a horrible prolonged death.

Neither of the two above options is really acceptable, and to be honest, if I had a gun I'd have certainly finished off a few of the little bunnies with myxi myself because I can't stand to see them go blind and then slowly starve to death.

So really, to prevent pain and suffering, either of the people or the bunnies, you need to maintain a balance, and to do that you need guns. It may not be palatable to you, but many things aren't palatable to me however I am a realist and know that life is neither fair nor always nice.

Ladyhawk

Squeek - Um... your original post said "please tell your friends and family about this." Isn't that telling people what to do? You may think that your opinion is valid, but it doesn't make sense.

Have Swavorski publicised that they are an animal rights/ anti hunting organisation? Have they ever denied that they make sights for guns?

They are a commercial organisation. They make crysals that are pretty and one way that they that they can generate more money is by selling these crystals in animal form as well as many other forms. They don't specifically sell these to animal rights activists/ anti-hunting campaigners/ vegans or anything. You might not like it, but this is the nature of commercial organisations, they are they primarily to make money.

How can they be called hypocrites when they have not made any claims to be hypocritical about?

cajef

squeek wrote: »

Swarovski crystal bad for aniamls !

http://www.swarovskioptik.us/en_us/current-projects

Mistymaid

So the link means the company donate to conservation projects and guns are used to cull overpopulated species.
Balance.

Miss_Ratty

Surely the whole point of ethical living is about making informed decisions?? If any company is found to have unethical connections, then it is up to the individual to explore this and make a decision to boycott as they see fit. As one person has pointed out, check out Ethical Consumer's website...you would be suprised but there are actually ethical companies out there, and yes...every connection is explored.

And thanks Squeek for pointing it out, the more we know, the better choices we can make.

squeek

Mistymaid wrote: »

I think, Squeek, you've got to look at these things on balance because broad brush stroking anything doesn't give your argument validity.

Okay, so the company makes glass animals and sells to people who like them (Let's keep out the fact that people are doing damage to the environment in their desire to own 'trinkets,' shall we?)

But guns do good as well as harm (I wouldn't like US gun laws to be imposed here)
Take the farmers who kill rabbits with them. Nice things bunnies, I like 'em. BUT, and you being a vegan should understand this, they eat the veggies. I live in an area where there are few natural preditors for bunnies (although I did see a seagull hunt one down last week) and they absolutely decimate the farm land. Also when they reach certain population densities, they get myxi (terrible cruel disease).
So, we don't cull them, and they a) eat the crops, and/or, bee) get myxi and die a horrible prolonged death.

Neither of the two above options is really acceptable, and to be honest, if I had a gun I'd have certainly finished off a few of the little bunnies with myxi myself because I can't stand to see them go blind and then slowly starve to death.

So really, to prevent pain and suffering, either of the people or the bunnies, you need to maintain a balance, and to do that you need guns. It may not be palatable to you, but many things aren't palatable to me however I am a realist and know that life is neither fair nor always nice.

feel i must point out your wrong about myxomatosis killing bunnies, 50% of them survive , they have built up a natural immunity to the desease. i have evidence of one such bunny in my garden, we have watched him for months, he got it and has survived it. so all those bunnies that have and will be shot is not right . if we get ill, we dont terminate our lives , we fight for survival and the bunnies are doing the same. one day they will all be immune. but if we go around killing them it wont be the desease that destroys them, it will be us !
so bunnies with myxomatosis are not all destined to die from it you see, our bunny re-appeared yesterday fit and well, he's been lying low under ground through the bad weather, tho i expect with snow again he will dissapear for a while again.

squeek

Miss_Ratty wrote: »

Surely the whole point of ethical living is about making informed decisions?? If any company is found to have unethical connections, then it is up to the individual to explore this and make a decision to boycott as they see fit. As one person has pointed out, check out Ethical Consumer's website...you would be suprised but there are actually ethical companies out there, and yes...every connection is explored.

And thanks Squeek for pointing it out, the more we know, the better choices we can make.

exactly, your welcome and thank you for your comment : )