Kicked off A4e and then wrestled out of job center.

crescend0

reminds of of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Chm34KJB_w

Peteo

There are sometimes other options instead of A 4 E. They have the main training contract sewn up from the government (yeh very democratic..not!)

But they do subcontract some training to other smaller and often better (nicer) companies. for example i was able to get on a 'graduate training' programme.

Same format as A 4 E but less crowded and they didn't try and force you into minimum wage jobs.
Thing is you have to find out about them and tell the job centre (as they generally haven't got a clue about local training schemes (in my area at least).

You then have to sign up with A 4 E and then they refer you to the other training company. So complicated, So many forms, So mind numbing......

seven-day-weekend

And what exactly is the problem with a minimum wage job if you are unemployed? Surely it's better than JSA?

(Realises: although perhaps not if you ahve your Housing costs paid......)

lufcgirl

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

And what exactly is the problem with a minimum wage job if you are unemployed? Surely it's better than JSA?

(Realises: although perhaps not if you ahve your Housing costs paid......)

I have no problem with a minimum wage job, as long as I have a job again I'll be delighted.

What I have a problem with is JCP staff who seem to be above their station. At the end of the day they're no better than you or me, or anyone else, they're supposed to be doing a job. I used to have call after call after call 10 hours a day, five days a week in an old job. Did you see me complaining because I had a lot of work on? No. It's a poor mans excuse, if they don't like it, or can't bring themselves to be polite and helpful to people who keep them in a job, then walk away.

ALIBOBSY

As someone who has been on the other side of the desk so to speak just wanted to offer a different angle.
The whole system currently evolved and was tweaked by governments to mostly aim at those who really don't want to work. Everything trys to be one size fits all and in many cases even the staff despair at the way the system is implemented from the top.

When I first started working the DWP (DSS in those days) there was a definate emphasis on customer service. The office I worked at were proud to be in the top few offices for exceeding the official targets for clerance time etc over and over, mind you the office manager one year got 10k and we got.................................
a MUG each wow.

Example we used to turn around the vast majority of benefit claims within 5 working days despite the targets being 10-12 days (varied benefit to benefit). The current government slashed processing staff and the attitude from above was don't exceed targets just hit them and no more. The work levels per staff member shot up, even before the credit crunch.

I know this doesn't help when you had a bad experience but some of us did try to help people and do a good job, even going above and beyond when required. Mind you I also have appologised for some of my collegues behaviour at times as well.

Good Luck with your job search

ali x

JPA_66

zappster1966 wrote: »

The worst thing for prospective employers is long, unexplained gaps in a persons career history. So better these courses than nothing.

I despair of the number of times I have explained that courses have to mean something, that yes, there are courses that can help, but only to be told they aren't available. Only the most unqualified can benefit from this, and frankly, they aren't the issue. Those still in work(many of whom seem blissfully unaware) should take note, because any day now your qualifications and experience will be disregarded by a recruiter just out of 'the university of XYZ, founded 1992, who can't even f**king spell.

JPA_66

ALIBOBSY wrote: »

mind you the office manager one year got 10k and we got.................................
a MUG each wow.

I trust you all "improvised" when making him tea!

To be honest I want to see these 'decision makers' outed. I doubt any are capable of making a real decision, much less living with the consequences.

To be a decision maker you should be:

A net contirbutor to the economy of at least 25% more than the person you are making a decision on.
A british citizen by birth.
a permanent government employee
Prepared to present your argument in person to a randomly selected group of people, who have the right to:
- reverse your decision
- suspend you for up to 4 weeks without pay
- recommend immediate dismissal
- forward for criminal charges if appropriate
- available to customers within office hours by a direct number

wordsfan

glossgal wrote: »

The bottom line is the only people who are against a tightening up of the welfare system are the people who abuse it.

Real poverty is a world removed from what goes on in this country, I don't see kids here begging for food or crawling on rubbish dumps eating waste, try a visit to a south american slum if you really want something to carp about.

I'm not abusing the system, I'm unable to work due to ill health. Yet I'm facing up to a 30% cut in LHA and 50% reduction in DLA which is hard enough to get anyway skewed as it is towards physical and not mental ill health which I unfortunately suffer badly from. Plus other cuts which are unconfirmed as yet.

I had my daughter while married and employed and firmly believed that I would always be able to provide for her. I could not have foreseen at that time the events that would lead my marriage to break down and several years later for my health also to suffer.

As for no real child poverty in this country in a previous job I saw exactly that. Its rare but it does happen.

Kwerner

a jobcentre does not constitute a private place. Also, I think the OP is in Scotland where trespass law does not apply in this instance. There is no right to use reasonable force if the person is not being violent, there is a duty to contact the police to conduct the removal. Its quite possible that the OP has been unlawfully assaulted and could make a complaint to the police regarding this incident.

Alys

It's a myth that there's no trespass law in Scotland, there always has been, it's just different from that in England (civil not criminal) in regards to the coutryside and so on. It is not lawful to enter, or remain in, private premises without the consent of the occupier, the very idea that it would be is somewhat astounding.

Oops, I've just noticed how old this thread is!