2 tickets in one week!

sarahg1969

andyman2003 - why would a private company in the business of making money have an appeals process? How many companies do you know who have a process to appeal against their invoices? It doesn't make sense.

Coblcris

andyman2303 wrote: »

Do not ignore them, that is foolish.

You do have to pay them - they have invited you onto their land, and have the T&C's on the signs on entry/around the car park. If you contravene these rules, you are breaking the contract you effectively sign when entering the area; it's all to do with contract law.

If you don't want to pay it, fine, appeal the decision - they refund a large amount of tickets if you do appeal, and as someone else said, if it goes to court and you have a legitimate reason why you shouldn't pay, I.E you were in Ibiza at the time and have the tickets to prove it, then you will win.

Simply ignoring the letters is a bad idea as they WILL pass it on to Debt Collection agencies, who WILL contact you about taking you to County Court.

And you won't get a CCJ - it's a civil case, not criminal; as urbankoala stated

Who invited whom onto whose land exactly ? And in what manner ?

I would never contact one of these companies, the appeal process appears to be a clear sham. All that matters is the facts of the case.

Debt collectors are powerless and are easily dealt with. Plus they will have no 'standing' in any event.

I strongly suspect that the quoted poster is a PPC agent as it is the only possible reason I can think of that anyone would post such 'information'. Such posts should be regarded in a very circumspect manner

pogofish

andyman2303 wrote: »

Do not ignore them, that is foolish.

You do have to pay them - they have invited you onto their land, and have the T&C's on the signs on entry/around the car park. If you contravene these rules, you are breaking the contract you effectively sign when entering the area; it's all to do with contract law.

If you don't want to pay it, fine, appeal the decision - they refund a large amount of tickets if you do appeal, and as someone else said, if it goes to court and you have a legitimate reason why you shouldn't pay, I.E you were in Ibiza at the time and have the tickets to prove it, then you will win.

Simply ignoring the letters is a bad idea as they WILL pass it on to Debt Collection agencies, who WILL contact you about taking you to County Court.

Load of -



The chances of any action being taken against the OP are miniscule, especially if she does not contact them - They simply don't have enough to raise an action.

Takings down this month maybe? :rotfl:

daveyjp

Andyman2303 - proof that these scammers do these read boards.

Ignore them, if it gets heavy take advice. Even if you get a summons go to Court, argue it's a trespass offence, only the landowner can sue you and you are only liable for any damage caused.

andyman2303

Actually I'm not part of a parking enforcement company, I'm in another part of transport, the bit that helps the consumer!

I just don't think it's very wise to ignore it altogether. Like I said, appeal and you will probably get off, if not, get a solicitor/CAB person to help you, and chances are you will win the case and have nothing to pay (even try claiming 'damages' from the company, you never know!)

I just think advising someone else to completely ignore a fine is fairly childish. It's like every walk of life - there are some complete ******* out there who do try and rip you off, but complaining and getting some legal help is surely going to do you more good than hiding your head in the sand?

trisontana

andyman2303 wrote: »

Actually I'm not part of a parking enforcement company, I'm in another part of transport, the bit that helps the consumer!

I just don't think it's very wise to ignore it altogether. Like I said, appeal and you will probably get off, if not, get a solicitor/CAB person to help you, and chances are you will win the case and have nothing to pay (even try claiming 'damages' from the company, you never know!)

I just think advising someone else to completely ignore a fine is fairly childish. It's like every walk of life - there are some complete ******* out there who do try and rip you off, but complaining and getting some legal help is surely going to do you more good than hiding your head in the sand?

But it's not a "fine" . It's an invoice. The only way the parking company that is issuing this almost worthless piece of paper can try and get any money is to take the driver to civil court and prove that they have suffered an actual material loss. If they do succeed, this loss will not be more than a couple of quid.

daveyjp

You aren't hiding your head in the sand, you are acknowledging its not a fine and letting them waste time and money trying to get you to pay it.

"it's all to do with contract law."

It has nothing whatsoever to do with contract law, if it was court cases would be happening every hour of every day of the week and parking companies would be winning against those who do ignore the threats.

andyman2303

OK sorry, fine is probably the wrong word.

I'm not arguing against any of you, all I'm tyring to say is don't simply ignore it. It's very childish to just ignore something. Far more mature to tackle it head on, and come out the other side with your head held high after having the PCN dropped by the rogue traders!

And trisontana, you have hit the nail on the head. The parking company have to prove a loss of £50 if they give you a £50 PCN. If they can't, the court won't let them charge you that much.

Guys_Dad

Where you are perhaps going wrong, Andy, is in overlooking the fact that anyone who is not clued up can easily write back with information that gives the scammers real evidence to use against them. A simple bad choice of phrase could rebound.

Even the police caution you about what you say - or in this case write - can be used against you.

So, much better to just ignore them completely until the threat of legal action becomes a reality - and all the evidence on this site and others is that it won't happen.

taxiphil

andyman2303 wrote: »

If you don't want to pay it, fine, appeal the decision - they refund a large amount of tickets if you do appeal

andyman2303 wrote: »

Like I said, appeal and you will probably get off

You seem to have a lot of faith in this "appeal" thing. I can assure you that private parking companies are not interested in "fairness" - you have to appreciate that their whole business model depends entirely upon frightening people into paying sums of money that can never be legally enforced. Their "appeal" procedures are a bogus sham, intended to give them an air of legitimacy in the hope that people will confuse their legal authority with that of the council or the police.

There is simply no point in appealing - it just shows them that you're taking their threats seriously, and encourages them to harrass you with more empty threats.