At What Point Are You At Work?

noelphobic

surreysaver wrote: »

I don't think people should be expected to boot a computer up in their own time. Make the coffee in your own time, yes, but not boot the computer up.

I work in the back office at a bank's admin office. We have a system on the computer that we have to log on to, in a simlar way to clocking on. We also have to account for every task we do. So we are logging on and off in our own time effectively.

seadee

hundredk wrote: »

I wasn't saying otherwise. My response was to coming in early to "log on". Early could be 5 mins or 30.

I am not office bound but see many staff arriving and starting work at 8.30 and working till 5.30 at he other end. They are therefore effectively working 5 hours extra each week for free which was my original point.

I have seen many people do this as well.
Their choice.

seadee

noelphobic wrote: »

I work in the back office at a bank's admin office. We have a system on the computer that we have to log on to, in a simlar way to clocking on. We also have to account for every task we do. So we are logging on and off in our own time effectively.

If logging on is part of your work then you should be paid for that time.
IMHO

hundredk

LittleVoice wrote: »

"Working for free" when in reality you are not actually doing the tasks for which you are being paid but just preparing to do them is one way of getting recognised as someone who puts in their proper working hours. This may help that person keep their job when others who set foot over the threshhold at start time lose theirs. I think that's maximising your income in the future - ie having a job rather than not.

I wasn't saying the duties weren't being carried out. My response was to coming in early to "log on". Early could be 5 mins or 30.

For a 9-5, office staff arriving and starting work at 8.30 and working till 5.30 at he other end are effectively working 5 hours extra each week for free which was my original point.

If they feel obliged to do this to keep pace with the work, this may extend even further when as you suggest others lose their job for setting foot over the threshhold at their start time.

Interesting thought of using how early you are as a selection criteria in a redundancy situation. I'm sure there are companies out there who would mask this as performance to keep it legal but does that make it fair?

hundredk

seadee wrote: »

I have seen many people do this as well.
Their choice.

True, but when they then choose to start and finish on time how does this fit with your view of "One way of maximising income may be to not p!ss off the boss and therefore ensure that you stay in a job."

seadee

hundredk wrote: »

True, but when they then choose to start and finish on time how does this fit with your view of "One way of maximising income may be to not p!ss off the boss and therefore ensure that you stay in a job."

As long as you are at your work when you are being paid to be then I assume that would not upset the boss. Coming at the time you are paid to be working to then prepare for work would, quite rightly, upset them.

That is how it fits in with the above.

olias

hundredk wrote: »

Interesting thought of using how early you are as a selection criteria in a redundancy situation. I'm sure there are companies out there who would mask this as performance to keep it legal but does that make it fair?

Since when have you known an employer to be fair? Most I have worked for wouldn't know the meaning of the word!

Olias

hundredk

dmg24 wrote: »

Which does not relate to the original question or to cattie's post which you responded to. The employers duty of care and somebody being at work are, for the purposes of this thread, completely different things.

My responses are to other posters interpretation of the OP.

The OP asked at what point you are classed as at work. It was not specified whether this was in relation to contractual hours or when the duty of care starts/ends.

Most posters interpreted this to mean contractual hours, however Cattie asked if there was a difference between walking on accross the company car park and from a train station, and there is in regard to duty of care.

hundredk

Blackpool_Saver wrote: »

Huh? this is about coming in 5 mins early to get sorted and be at your desk at nine, not late at your desk by making brews etc and being at your desk at 5 or 10 past, with potential customers and colleagues having had no answer at your desk at 9am, frankly I wouldn't pay a person who behaved like this in washers.

I was refering to being early, not late. Who mentioned 5 mins or making brews or being at your desk late? I wouldn't pay a manager who made assumptions like this in washers either

hundredk

olias wrote: »

Since when have you known an employer to be fair? Most I have worked for wouldn't know the meaning of the word!

Olias

Quite often actually. However the ones that aren't (and I agree there are many), do you roll over and work more and more for free to keep the boss on side.