At What Point Are You At Work?

hundredk

Blackpool_Saver wrote: »

No, that is mature and responsible.

Isn't the point of MSE.com and forums to discuss ways to save money and maximse income? Working for free doesn't do that.

http://www.worksmart.org.uk/overtime_calc.php

seadee

hundredk wrote: »

Isn't the point of MSE.com and forums to discuss ways to save money and maximse income? Working for free doesn't do that.

http://www.worksmart.org.uk/overtime_calc.php

One way of maximising income may be to not p!ss off the boss and therefore ensure that you stay in a job.

LittleVoice

hundredk wrote: »

Isn't the point of MSE.com and forums to discuss ways to save money and maximse income? Working for free doesn't do that.

http://www.worksmart.org.uk/overtime_calc.php

"Working for free" when in reality you are not actually doing the tasks for which you are being paid but just preparing to do them is one way of getting recognised as someone who puts in their proper working hours. This may help that person keep their job when others who set foot over the threshhold at start time lose theirs. I think that's maximising your income in the future - ie having a job rather than not.

Blackpool_Saver

hundredk wrote: »

Isn't the point of MSE.com and forums to discuss ways to save money and maximse income? Working for free doesn't do that.

http://www.worksmart.org.uk/overtime_calc.php

Huh? this is about coming in 5 mins early to get sorted and be at your desk at nine, not late at your desk by making brews etc and being at your desk at 5 or 10 past, with potential customers and colleagues having had no answer at your desk at 9am, frankly I wouldn't pay a person who behaved like this in washers.

hundredk

LittleVoice wrote: »

"Working for free" when in reality you are not actually doing the tasks for which you are being paid but just preparing to do them is one way of getting recognised as someone who puts in their proper working hours. This may help that person keep their job when others who set foot over the threshhold at start time lose theirs. I think that's maximising your income in the future - ie having a job rather than not.

It is quite possible to arrive at your desk at 9.00 and start work without having a computer on. The phone may ring, post may have to be dealt with or many other things that mean the PC isn't logged on. This does not mean you are not working, in fact just the opposite you could be inudated with queries as soon as you arrive.

seadee

hundredk wrote: »

It is quite possible to arrive at your desk at 9.00 and start work without having a computer on. The phone may ring, post may have to be dealt with or many other things that mean the PC isn't logged on. This does not mean you are not working, in fact just the opposite you could be inudated with queries as soon as you arrive.

True, but you do need to be there at the appointed time in order to achieve this.

hundredk

dmg24 wrote: »

But the company car park is not where you do your work!

Your argument falls down when you consider worksites such as Boots HQ. On that site the public bus drops you off onsite, but you could still have a twenty minute walk to your place of work. Are you suggesting that the person should only be 'onsite' at their start time, and not at their desk?

The distinction I was making was that the company has a duty of care for you whilst you are on their premises, not in a public train station.

The person is at work when they are ready to carry out their duties and this may well be different for different jobs.

If an office worker and car park attendant arrive onsite in the same car at 8.40, the car park attendant may be at work 5 mins later at 8.45 whilst office worker is not at work until 9.00 after a 20 min walk. If they both slipped on ice in the car park at 8.50 I would have thought both were an accident at work (tho some legal expert may now say different). If you slip at 8.50 on public highway on route from train station (legally) then nothing to do with employer.

dmg24

hundredk wrote: »

The distinction I was making was that the company has a duty of care for you whilst you are on their premises, not in a public train station.

Which does not relate to the original question or to cattie's post which you responded to. The employers duty of care and somebody being at work are, for the purposes of this thread, completely different things.

surreysaver

I don't think people should be expected to boot a computer up in their own time. Make the coffee in your own time, yes, but not boot the computer up.

hundredk

seadee wrote: »

True, but you do need to be there at the appointed time in order to achieve this.

I wasn't saying otherwise. My response was to coming in early to "log on". Early could be 5 mins or 30.

I am not office bound but see many staff arriving and starting work at 8.30 and working till 5.30 at he other end. They are therefore effectively working 5 hours extra each week for free which was my original point.