MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Would you give up a £50 train seat for a pregnant woman?

23rdian

I'd sell it to her for £60


















Nah seriously, I dunno perhaps depends on the mood I was in at the time. I have given up seats for families to sit together etc

KatieMc83_2

Trialia wrote: »

Where's the humanity in adding to our world's problems with overpopulation, anyway?

But if everyone stopped having babies... there would be no future. I can't believe such a simple fact seems to have slipped so many peoples minds. Complete foolishness.

As for the 'book in advance' or 'get there early' argument. Not always possible! Sometimes journeys need to be taken at short notice, and the 'get there early' argument is just stupid. Get there early to do what? Stand on the platform while it's empty? Because by the time the train comes it's heaving anway. I've never known it not to be and I get A LOT of trains!

I would give my seat up but I would stand nearby and make sure I got it back if she got off before me.

Cheery_Daff

I only read about five pages of this thread... but it brought to mind something that I once read that said if you're not willing to have enough children to doctor the maladies of your own old age, and provide you with food, clothes, health care etc, then you'd better start accepting other people's children into your lives, starting now



(and if you are planning on having enough of your own children to provide for all of your needs when you're old, then you'd best hope someone gives you a seat on a train, cos you'll probably need it)

Trialia

KatieMc83 wrote: »

But if everyone stopped having babies... there would be no future. I can't believe such a simple fact seems to have slipped so many peoples minds. Complete foolishness.

It hasn't slipped my mind at all. But we need to remedy the problems we are having with growing overpopulation, because the planet's resources are finite and running out. It's as simple as that. I didn't say everyone should stop having children, but we do need to start limiting it - and taking care of the kids who already exist and don't have homes.

nathanhill69

Some truly shocking displays of selfishness in this thread I cannot believe this is even a moral dilemma. Of course if I was seated and a pregnant woman got on board the train I would, without hesitation, offer them my seat. I don't need any justification on their part and don't think "pregnancy is a choice" position holds any water - a pregnant woman's need is obviously greater than mine as a healthy able bodied person.

My wife, like many other women, had to work up to a month before our children were due and on some days a seat on the train/underground was truly needed. Based on some posters assertions maybe she should have waited for a couple hours for both morning and then evening rush hour to pass before venturing onto the rail/tube network.

I suppose the difference between those who would offer their seat and those who would not is the difference between those who have consideration for their fellow humans and those who do not - or those who were bought up with good manners and those who were not.

Bogof_Babe

I think there is a distinction to be made between a few stops on a commuter route and a £50 journey, which on an Advance ticket might well be about five hours of travel or more.

A pregnant woman is unlikely to be making a long-haul rail trip without planning ahead sufficiently to get herself sorted. Yes it might happen occasionally, but I still don't see why the original customer should have to forgo the comfort they planned, booked and probably need.

Booking a seated ticket in advance is a commercial transaction. Would you give the shopping you've just bought to a tramp in the street, on the grounds that he needs it more than you do?

nathanhill69

Bogof_Babe wrote: »

I think there is a distinction to be made between a few stops on a commuter route and a £50 journey, which on an Advance ticket might well be about five hours of travel or more.

A pregnant woman is unlikely to be making a long-haul rail trip without planning ahead sufficiently to get herself sorted. Yes it might happen occasionally, but I still don't see why the original customer should have to forgo the comfort they planned, booked and probably need.

Booking a seated ticket in advance is a commercial transaction. Would you give the shopping you've just bought to a tramp in the street, on the grounds that he needs it more than you do?

Well one would have to assume that she has a justified reason for not securing a seat reservation and that she has a real need to catch the train in question. I suppose you could ask her to give a 2 minute presentation on why she wasn't able to get a reserved seat and then score her response which would dictate wether she was worthy of your seat;)

Sometimes doing the right thing does inconvenience you but that's often the case for doing something that is selfless and hopefully these acts of kindness contribute to making society a more convivial place. If however allowing a heavily pregnant woman to stand for the duration of the train journey whilst you, a fit and able bodied person, sits then I guess our moral codes differ.

Regarding the tramp comparison - this is some what a red herring.

Bogof_Babe

I'd hazard a guess from your username that you are a 40 yr old bloke, i.e. in the prime of life.

Don't be fooled by my username, I couldn't think of one when registering, but I'm actually 57, and although in pretty good health believe me I need to sit down on a bumpy train if at all possible.

I'd rather give up my seat for a frail elderly person than a pregnant woman, who you would assume is in reasonable health in order to be travelling in the first place. The elderly can't be so choosy as their condition is permanent.

nathanhill69

Bogof_Babe wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess from your username that you are a 40 yr old bloke, i.e. in the prime of life.

Don't be fooled by my username, I couldn't think of one when registering, but I'm actually 57, and although in pretty good health believe me I need to sit down on a bumpy train if at all possible.

I'd rather give up my seat for a frail elderly person than a pregnant woman, who you would assume is in reasonable health in order to be travelling in the first place. The elderly can't be so choosy as their condition is permanent.

A pregnant woman may be healthy but we are talking about a heavily pregnant woman - pregnancy, at it's various stages, is a huge strain on a healthy body. Looking out for one another wether some one is elderly, disabled, ill or pregnant is part of making the society a better place to live in.

People complain about the youth of today and the breaking down of the social fabric of modern society yet the examples being shown to them by the couple of generations ahead gives them no demonstration of what the right or wrong thing to do is.

Bogof_Babe

So do you think a 57-year-old should stand up for several hours in order to allow a young pregnant lass to sit down?

ETA Some seats have a notice beside them saying "Please give up this seat if an elderly or disabled person needs it", but no mention of pregnant women.