MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Would you give up a £50 train seat for a pregnant woman?

joolia_x

Without a doubt I would. I would at least offer anyway. No doubt at some point another seat would become free.

I'm sure if you were a any heavily pregnant woman, or, for the men out there, if your wife/gf was heavily pregnant and you/her weren't offered a seat by anyone then you'd be outraged - and rightly so.

Treat others as you, or you'd want your wife/gf to be treated.

joolia_x

Tiger_greeneyes wrote: »

I find it very odd that people seem to be assuming pregnant women are too dim to consider taking responsibility for their own plight and upgrading themselves into a seat in first class if there aren't any unoccupied seats elsewhere on the train. It's not rocket science, it's what I'd do if I'd not had the opportunity to pre-book a seat on a jam-packed train

Maybe not everyone could afford to upgrade to a first class ticket....

hundredk

Lindsey_Newens wrote: »

For all the selfish people who wouldn't stand for a pregnant woman, let's hope her unborn child comes across them when he is older and is a brain surgeon or the like, and shows them the same dismissive selfish attitude that they showed his/her mother!

I travel by train all the time, but when my father had a stroke and was dying he hadn't shown me the courtesy of giving me any notice so I hadn't booked! Fortunately the guard saw how upset I was and plonked me in first class, no question! Lucky I didn't need to rely on you lot!!

Selfish pregnant woman for putting herself in that position in the first place.

The person sitting in the reserved seat may be upset and on the way to see someone in hospital...do they give the seat up? The pregnant woman should have some foresight and realised that bank hol + 5 hours = busy like all those who reserved the seat, or maybe with some foresight she might have chosen to take a taxi or not travel at all....if her unborn child is to become a brain surgeon, lets hope it has the fathers genes then :rolleyes:

hundredk

joolia_x wrote: »

Maybe not everyone could afford to upgrade to a first class ticket....

Then maybe they shouldn't be travelling at all, assuming its a bank holiday and the trip is for leisure.

Tiger_greeneyes

joolia_x wrote: »

Maybe not everyone could afford to upgrade to a first class ticket....

What, not even for the safety of their unborn child? :rolleyes: There are lots of people in this thread that are calling the 'no' voters amongst us all sorts and assuming we're saying no because we'd be not wanting to give up the £50 seat we've paid for. All things being equal, your argument would mean that this hypothetical lady was putting herself in the position whereby she would standing for five hours and putting herself and her baby at risk because she's too tight

It's not a point that would hold any weight anyway, tbh. If a pregnant woman can't find a seat on a train, all she need to do is produce her paperwork (not sure what it's called but it's been mentioned a few times) and she'll be upgraded to first class for free.

I also got the vibe that you seem to think I can afford to throw around money to travel first class? As I'm unable to work through ill health and my husband was recently made redundant for the second time in three months, I actually don't have spare money lying around, that's why I take responsibility for myself and pre-book my seats on a train or I don't travel. I certainly wouldn't expect - or want - anyone else to give up their seat for me, despite the fact I can't stand for longer than a couple of minutes.

Like the vast majority of pregnant women, I'm not suffering from a room-temperature IQ, I just can't stand for long. That doesn't make me exempt from making the necessary arrangements for my travelling needs and think it's ok to deprive someone else of the seat they've booked and paid for.

Tiger_greeneyes

hundredk wrote: »

Selfish pregnant woman for putting herself in that position in the first place.

The person sitting in the reserved seat may be upset and on the way to see someone in hospital...do they give the seat up? The pregnant woman should have some foresight and realised that bank hol + 5 hours = busy like all those who reserved the seat, or maybe with some foresight she might have chosen to take a taxi or not travel at all....if her unborn child is to become a brain surgeon, lets hope it has the fathers genes then :rolleyes:

Agreed - it's not as if a heavily pregnant woman hasn't had a good few months notice of their impending bundle of joy.

Why do people think it's ok to expect everyone else to pick up the slack? There's a lot of people on this thread that seem to think it's unfair to expect pregnant women to take responsibility for their own needs That's doing women/pregnant women a huge disservice.

I can only guess that some of the younger generation is being taught that they don't have to take responsibility for themselves because some unselfish/decent/better off/better positioned person will always be there to look after them :eek:

tahariel

Definately, a part of me enjoys sitting on the floor in the doorways. I think though this highlights more of a need for the train companies to put on enough carriages for the people that want to travel.

Plus since the train price hike, it's actually better for me to buy last minute at the station than to pre-book my tickets online. It costs a tiny £6 more and I get the freedom to change my trains at will. I have never seen cheapo singles since that day !

unhealthyman

Some of the posts in the this thread are horrifically petty, misinformed and just plain apalling.

Firstly, being a "money saving expert" does not mean you have to be a ruthless b@stard. You can still do nice things regardless of whether you are reserved in that seat or not. There is more to life than money you nasty little people.

Secondly, booking a reserved seat in advance is NEVER more expensive than buying a walk on ticket, and in many cases is considerably cheaper. So while the pregnant lady may not have a reserved seat, she certainly did pay at least as much as you.

Thirdly, being pregnant doesn't mean that you have to plan in advance to make up for any difficult situations. For example, I have had to buy a ticket last minute to go to a friends funeral. I had to pay full price, but I couldn't exactly have paid for it in advance. There are a lot greater things that might be going on that you just don't know about. Assuming she is badly organised to not have a ticket is presumptuous and irrelevant.

Fourthly, to everyone suggesting that she pay to upgrade to first class... unless you are travelling on the weekend this can be horrifically expensive. Suggesting this is some kind of "pregnancy tax" that she deserves for getting in this situation is disgusting. Look in the mirror, grow up, or something. You have no idea what her situation is.

At some point the desperate scraping to save cash and take "what is rightfully yours" must be taken over by common decency. I'm geniunely upset by the number of pathetic penny pinching posts in this thread from fellow forum users showing some kind of righteous fury at the suggestion they should give up their seat. Of course you should. If you yourself are frail/old/pregnant/disabled, then obviously disregard this. That's common sense. But for the vast majority it is simply human decency.

I would rather stand for 5 hours than sit shamefully while a heavily pregant woman suffers. The fact that anyone else would choose differently is depressing. And everyone is in a rage about how morally bankrupt bankers are?... I'm embarassed for some of the posters on this site.

Tiger_greeneyes

unhealthyman wrote: »

Some of the posts in the this thread are horrifically petty, misinformed and just plain apalling.

Firstly, being a "money saving expert" does not mean you have to be a ruthless b@stard. You can still do nice things regardless of whether you are reserved in that seat or not. There is more to life than money you nasty little people.

Secondly, booking a reserved seat in advance is NEVER more expensive than buying a walk on ticket, and in many cases is considerably cheaper. So while the pregnant lady may not have a reserved seat, she certainly did pay at least as much as you.

Thirdly, being pregnant doesn't mean that you have to plan in advance to make up for any difficult situations. For example, I have had to buy a ticket last minute to go to a friends funeral. I had to pay full price, but I couldn't exactly have paid for it in advance. There are a lot greater things that might be going on that you just don't know about. Assuming she is badly organised to not have a ticket is presumptuous and irrelevant.

Fourthly, to everyone suggesting that she pay to upgrade to first class... unless you are travelling on the weekend this can be horrifically expensive. Suggesting this is some kind of "pregnancy tax" that she deserves for getting in this situation is disgusting. Look in the mirror, grow up, or something. You have no idea what her situation is.

At some point the desperate scraping to save cash and take "what is rightfully yours" must be taken over by common decency. I'm geniunely upset by the number of pathetic penny pinching posts in this thread from fellow forum users showing some kind of righteous fury at the suggestion they should give up their seat. Of course you should. If you yourself are frail/old/pregnant/disabled, then obviously disregard this. That's common sense. But for the vast majority it is simply human decency.

I would rather stand for 5 hours than sit shamefully while a heavily pregant woman suffers. The fact that anyone else would choose differently is depressing. And everyone is in a rage about how morally bankrupt bankers are?... I'm embarassed for some of the posters on this site.

Have you actually bothered to read this thread? If you have then I think you need to read it again and maybe then you won't be quite so judgemental. You can't possibly have read the post where someone thinks it's not necessary for a pregnant woman to pay to upgrade (I know you don't have to pay but they obviously didn't) to first class because it's too expensive. If you think that people are being materialistic over their seats, how materialistic is it to say somebody elses baby's welfare is down to a kind-hearted stranger because upgrading costs too much? Some people have bizarre ideas!

Trialia

Un0riginal wrote: »

Rather lets hope that the genes of those with no manners or consideration don't get added to the gene pool and the world will gradually become a much better place.

That would be you and several other people on this thread who are of your opinions, then, since you seem to have taken to yourself the right to harangue a disabled person for having no manners because she won't let a pregnant woman take her seat, and I see that in general here it has been the ones who would give up the seat who are being rude and verbally insulting to other people, frequently without bothering to consider individual circumstances.

I do, however, agree that there needs to be more chlorine in the gene pool, if only to let the average level of intelligence and common sense rise enough to a point where someone will read a whole thread, particularly given how short this one is, before they rant like you!