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Sitting tenant from 1970s

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  • Imp
    Imp Posts: 1,035 Forumite
    lynfs wrote: »
    doesnt seem fair to me. If you're family own the property you should be able to do as you please imo as long as you treat the tennant correctly and provide adequate notification

    Just because you own something, doesn't mean you can do as you want. I could own 500 acres of woodland, but I wouldn't be allowed to cut it down and build houses on it. I've seen houses next to a railway cutting where the owners weren't allowed to build anything in their back gardens. House owners are often prohibited from owning cockerals. In this case, the tenant has a legal interest in the house, and treating the tenant correctly means not removing his rights. These rights arise from a more civilised time than we are living in now.
  • caljoemor
    caljoemor Posts: 89 Forumite
    It sounds like your parents and A own the property as a whole in equal shares, a solicitor should be able to register this as a freehold and then split the flats into leaseholds (if not already).

    You could than split the ownership of the leaseholds between A and your parents allowing B to buy out your parents. This will not be straight forward and a number of issues would more than likely be raised, it will also take some time.

    Each solicitor involved will be protecting their clients so they will want to make sure that no party involved will lose out financially.

    The best advice would be to get your parents and A to seek legal advice before deciding to follow this path, it could end up being very costly.

    Good luck and I hope they can come to some sort of agreement.
  • LydiaJ
    LydiaJ Posts: 8,083 Forumite
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    Just in case there's anyone still reading this board who remembers this thread, I thought I'd return with an update.

    The solicitors managed to do something complicated with some deeds of transfer that changed the way the ownership of the property was split between my parents and A. Instead of two equal shares of the property as a whole, it was split so that my parents got 65% of each of the two AST flats, and A got everything else (including the freehold I assume). B was then able to buy my parents' 65% share in flat 1, and a little later also bought their share in flat 2.

    So now everyone is happy. B is happy to have bought into the property. A is happy to have given B the opportunity she was looking for. My parents are happy to be rid of the hassle (not least because my mum now has dementia and Parkinsonism and requires 24/7 care so my dad is too busy caring for her to have time for LL responsibilities). My siblings and I are happy not to have the prospect of each inheriting an eighth share of the thing. The tenant is (presumably) happy to be still living in his home.
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  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    lynfs wrote: »
    doesnt seem fair to me. If you're family own the property you should be able to do as you please imo as long as you treat the tennant correctly and provide adequate notification

    Your opinion's neither here nor there. You can't give notice to a sitting tenant protected under an old tenancy.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    Glad you got it sorted out.

    My OH and his brother had a similar set of circumstances - their grandparents bought a hosue in North London with friends of theirs, left their half to their son, who left it to OH and his brother. Fortunately, the two sons of the grandparents' mates also wanted out, so they sold (with protected tenants in place) in August 2007 for 82% of the market value - a decision that's looking even better in retrospect!
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • mlz1413
    mlz1413 Posts: 3,152 Forumite
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    LydiaJ wrote: »
    Just in case there's anyone still reading this board who remembers this thread, I thought I'd return with an update.

    The solicitors managed to do something complicated with some deeds of transfer that changed the way the ownership of the property was split between my parents and A. Instead of two equal shares of the property as a whole, it was split so that my parents got 65% of each of the two AST flats, and A got everything else (including the freehold I assume). B was then able to buy my parents' 65% share in flat 1, and a little later also bought their share in flat 2.

    So now everyone is happy. B is happy to have bought into the property. A is happy to have given B the opportunity she was looking for. My parents are happy to be rid of the hassle (not least because my mum now has dementia and Parkinsonism and requires 24/7 care so my dad is too busy caring for her to have time for LL responsibilities). My siblings and I are happy not to have the prospect of each inheriting an eighth share of the thing. The tenant is (presumably) happy to be still living in his home.


    Good News. glad it worked out for all concerned.
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