Armed Forces Pay Rises

kennyboy66_2

davilown wrote: »

Obviously I'm biased because of my job but what do you all think as it is another public sector pay rise to be announced this month when the private sector are taking pay cuts?

The private sector are not taking pay cuts as an average.
Bonuses are been cut, as is overtime, but there are still modest pay rises.

lostinrates

kennyboy66 wrote: »

The private sector are not taking pay cuts as an average.
Bonuses are been cut, as is overtime, but there are still modest pay rises.

Areas of the private sector are having pay rises. Its great if this is not average. I saw the head line figure but not a breakdorn, so I will accept this is the case

Other areas having pay freezes; are on four day week; are still having redundancies.

Jim_B_3

mitchaa wrote: »

I know a little bit more than i am letting on, but i know the above is just spin;)

Here's a weekday of what i know to be true of a soldier in the aviation world.

Here's my personal experience of life in a blue suit.

0001 hrs to 2359hrs for literally weeks at a time: Six on, six off. Mark another day off in the calendar.

martinbuckley

mitchaa wrote: »

I know a little bit more than i am letting on, but i know the above is just spin;)

Here's a weekday of what i know to be true of a soldier in the aviation world.

Monday..Start work at 0830, Naafi break 10-1030, dinner break 1215-1315, Naafi break 1500-1530, finish work 1630...Hrs worked = 6hrs

Tuesday..0830 start, PT 1030-1200, back in at 1, usual naafi break at 1500, finish at 1630...Hrs worked = 5hrs

Wednesday 0830 start, 10am-1030 naafi break, sports afternoon at 1230...Hrs worked = 3.5hrs

Thursday...Same as tuesday

Friday...Same as wednesday but with no sports afternoon, just an early knock off.

23hrs per week actually spent in work doing what they are supposed to be doing;)

1 guard duty per month which although is 12hrs long during the week after work, the MPGS let you sleep through the night. 24hrs at the weekend but again you would be able to sleep at least 8hrs and the rest is spent watching TV, reading newspapers with around about an hour or 2 real work, car passes, answering phones etc.

On exercise, the guys i know work a 24 on 24 off system, but the 24 on is actually only around 12-16 dependent on work.

The same for op tours, 24 on 24 off with around 16hrs work on the ON period.

The military also get a LOT of leave in comparison to their civi counterparts, in reality around 8-9 full weeks per year, with annual leave, CO grant days, pre exercise days, post exercise days, pre tour leave, post tour leave etc etc

I know the above is 100% true for 1 particular large base in the military. Im not saying this is the same forces wide, but the 24hr 365day thing is just spin.

Of course there may be a couple of weeks where you have to work a weekend, or have to work your sports afternoon or have to work a friday afternoon, but above is a genuine template of hrs worked in its majority;)

So if you know more than you are letting on, you'll also know that the PT will be compulsary and should be part of the calculation. You should also know that not everyone will have a sports afternoon on Wednesday - only those who are sufficiently talented enough to represent their unit.

The rest may be true, but when a unit goes away for 4 or 6 months, they then work 12 on 12 off (more like 14 on 10 off with handovers) for 120 or 180 days, and remember that on those 10 or 12 off they are not immune from incoming missiles, so their 10 off may well become 2 off!

Its called "Taking the Rough with the Smooth" - sure the peacetime hours will be less, but they more than make up for it when they are on Operations.

Andy_L

iolanthe07 wrote: »

Sorry to be pedantic, but Armed Forces personnel do not actually receive pensions. What they get on retirement is 'deferred pay'. I think the distinction is more than academic, because it means that they have contributed through having some of their pay put off until later, so their 'pension' is not strictly non-contributed. I am in the happy position of receiving 'deferred pay', and it is actually quite generous - £5.75k pa index linked from age 60 in return for only ten years' service

So why is it called the Armed Forces Pension Scheme then?

iolanthe07

So why is it called the Armed Forces Pension Scheme then?

For convenience so that everyone understands it. When you first receive the paper work it is made clear that it is in fact 'deferred pay'.

Cat695

mitchaa wrote: »

I know a little bit more than i am letting on, but i know the above is just spin;)

Here's a weekday of what i know to be true of a soldier in the aviation world.

Monday..Start work at 0830, Naafi break 10-1030, dinner break 1215-1315, Naafi break 1500-1530, finish work 1630...Hrs worked = 6hrs

Tuesday..0830 start, PT 1030-1200, back in at 1, usual naafi break at 1500, finish at 1630...Hrs worked = 5hrs

Wednesday 0830 start, 10am-1030 naafi break, sports afternoon at 1230...Hrs worked = 3.5hrs

Thursday...Same as tuesday

Friday...Same as wednesday but with no sports afternoon, just an early knock off.

23hrs per week actually spent in work doing what they are supposed to be doing;)

1 guard duty per month which although is 12hrs long during the week after work, the MPGS let you sleep through the night. 24hrs at the weekend but again you would be able to sleep at least 8hrs and the rest is spent watching TV, reading newspapers with around about an hour or 2 real work, car passes, answering phones etc.

On exercise, the guys i know work a 24 on 24 off system, but the 24 on is actually only around 12-16 dependent on work.

The same for op tours, 24 on 24 off with around 16hrs work on the ON period.

The military also get a LOT of leave in comparison to their civi counterparts, in reality around 8-9 full weeks per year, with annual leave, CO grant days, pre exercise days, post exercise days, pre tour leave, post tour leave etc etc

I know the above is 100% true for 1 particular large base in the military. Im not saying this is the same forces wide, but the 24hr 365day thing is just spin.

Of course there may be a couple of weeks where you have to work a weekend, or have to work your sports afternoon or have to work a friday afternoon, but above is a genuine template of hrs worked in its majority;)

WILL YOU STOP letting all our secrets out please....or everyone will be joining up;)

Though I would like to point out that no way in hell do I or have EVER worked a shift pattern while on exercise or on tour......in some cases I haven't slept for 2/3 days solid and when I do get sleep its pretty much 4 hours at a time.

But you are right mitchaa some days I sit in my Tank in the sun looking over beautiful countryside and send a round down range and think...jesus they pay me for this!

Trying_to_be_good

iolanthe07 wrote: »

So why is it called the Armed Forces Pension Scheme then?

For convenience so that everyone understands it. When you first receive the paper work it is made clear that it is in fact 'deferred pay'.

I understood that it was a (well-deserved) pension, and is paid through the AFPS.

I thought it was called an Immediate Pension (IP) and the 'deferred' phrase refers to those who leave before their Immediate Pension Point - this is for the 1075 scheme, not the 05 one (http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/73C97FDF-BCDA-4B3F-A686-CA8533FD52BC/0/afps75_mmp106_your_pension_scheme_explained.pdf).

Glad the best public sector rise went to the Armed Forces.

Cat695

Trying_to_be_good wrote: »

I understood that it was a (well-deserved) pension, and is paid through the AFPS.

I thought it was called an Immediate Pension (IP) and the 'deferred' phrase refers to those who leave before their Immediate Pension Point - this is for the 1075 scheme, not the 05 one (http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/73C97FDF-BCDA-4B3F-A686-CA8533FD52BC/0/afps75_mmp106_your_pension_scheme_explained.pdf).

Glad the best public sector rise went to the Armed Forces.

AFPS 75

Immediate pension (with a lump sum) for Soldiers is 22 years service, but must have served 22 years.(IE if you spent 3 months in nick you have to add it onto your 22years)

Officers is 16 years (Typical)

AFPS 05 I have no idea about other than it wasn't any good for guys that had ALREADY served awhile.

lana22

Cat695 wrote: »

You are very right LIR....the biggest worry most guy/girls have are moving over into civi life.....especially the Combat Arms people.

But saying that I'm kinda looking forward to it, however even with 4 and bit years to go am already nervous.

A very close friend of mine from school has just rejoined in this last week. He joined as a signaller age 17, and couldn't cope on civvie street.
His old mates are all off to Afghan soon and he realised he was jealous. This is despite him complaining no end and being a different person completely when he came back from his tour there.
I think some people are just meant for military life, and he is one of them. He earnt more as a civvie but it wasn't for him, he was bored stupid.

I can see the attraction completely. I am currently sending off my paperwork to join the TA as a doctor. Did ACF then OTC, and always toyed with the idea of joining as a regular but never really bit the bullet and did it.