MLM (Multi Level Marketing)

Jeanetteathome

PatrickD wrote: »

And that, in a nutshell, is why people fail. Its not ''dead easy''; it takes years of consistent work to build a full time business. Its not difficult work, but it takes a lot of self motivation because you're doing it yourself with no boss pushing you. MLM is a bit like fishing in many ways. You get the type of fish that you put out the bait for. If you're telling people that its dead easy and you don't have to do much, guess what type of people you will attract?

I didn't say it was dead easy, please read it again, I said the idea of it, the selling it to people. The circles they do - it's so simple so easy , you are on the way to riches. What they don't say is you could spend 5+ years doing it and sign up 300 people and still be stuck at gold, they say you need just 5 - 10 people for the riches to roll in. Thats how it's sold


Thats right, do your due diligence, find a company with products you would use at the right price and you will find a market for your products.

but thats it - while you might like some obscure cleaning or other product , the vast majority don't, thats why few in this game will ever make it big. When kleeneze for instance had big market appeal , before poundshops and bargain stores and giant asdas they made good money, but not now.

There will always be a market for your products if they are good.

lets not pretend there are some sort of hidden market beaters out there , there aren't, lets be frank, whilst you might think wikanio or what ever it is are super products lets face it most aren't bothered. If you could sell to every other person in the street you'd make a million. But today with such a vast range of stuff online and in the shops it's drop in the ocean really isn;'t it?

Depends on the company. Due diligence. Find a company with products you really like and promote them. Others will like them too.


why should they?

Biggest fallacy in MLM and only shows up people who don't really understand the concept. There are still people breaking the top levels in all the old companies. When you join has nothing to do with it. Ask Gavin Scott over on the Kleeneze thread when he joined. I'll tell you, 1992. Kleeneze had been using MLM since the early 70's and been in business since the early 20s!!

Not fallacy at all - there is no time limit on the growth and fail curve - you talk of Kleeneze and MLM in the 70's but it wasn't till the late 80's and early 90's when distributors actually had their own accounts, until then they had a team leader thing where they submitted orders to him. The individual account is when it really took off and thats when people like Gavin Scott and the rest got in. Even in the middle 90's it was still possible to get to gold in a few months and hold it (thats the key) then onto Bronze and above. The rot set in not long after that with the same people chasing fewer and fewer customers and potential sign ups.

Now its reached a point where those who are going to do it are doing it , those who might think about it already have, those that have done it and given up already have, how many now would be tempted by **Earn £200 - £500 PTFT ** flyers stuck to lamposts? This is why they can't even get popel to gold any more and few that do actually hold it.

Here's a thing - take note on the lists of distributors that gavin scott puts up, find a name and follow it for a few periods opr go back to the beginning of the year and find one at gold and follow it. Few hold it properly going up and down but never rising above.


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Jeanetteathome

Maz wrote: »

Jeanette, have you ever been with any other NM company apart from Kleeneze?

The reason I ask is that I cut my teeth with NM as a Kleeneze distributor, packed it in after about 2 years as I wasn't making anything. But not all NM companies are the same and I'm with one now that actually does what it says on the tin.

I can totally understand your annoyance though about the way it's presented to prospects!

I'd never do anything like this again frankly, too much trouble for too little gain.

Maz

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

I'd never do anything like this again frankly, too much trouble for too little gain.

I think your anger is quite justified tbh.

I've nothing against the concept of NM per se but I also got very angry at the lies and ommissions that soon became apparent when I started with Kleeneze. I wasn't angry with the couple who recruited me because I think they were as much in the dark as I was at that point. They're still involved as far as I know but whether they make any decent money from it, I've no idea, haven't spoken to them properly since I threw the towel in! Except they did try to re recruit me a few years ago! :eek: I declined gracefully.

The point I was trying to get across, (not very well I know!) is that not all NM companies operate in the same archaic way and there are some really good ones out there. I'm sorry that your experience has put you off NM completely.

Peter_Pan

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

PatrickD wrote: »

Biggest fallacy in MLM and only shows up people who don't really understand the concept. There are still people breaking the top levels in all the old companies. When you join has nothing to do with it. Ask Gavin Scott over on the Kleeneze thread when he joined. I'll tell you, 1992. Kleeneze had been using MLM since the early 70's and been in business since the early 20s!!

Not fallacy at all - there is no time limit on the growth and fail curve - you talk of Kleeneze and MLM in the 70's but it wasn't till the late 80's and early 90's when distributors actually had their own accounts, until then they had a team leader thing where they submitted orders to him. The individual account is when it really took off and thats when people like Gavin Scott and the rest got in. Even in the middle 90's it was still possible to get to gold in a few months and hold it (thats the key) then onto Bronze and above. The rot set in not long after that with the same people chasing fewer and fewer customers and potential sign ups.

Now its reached a point where those who are going to do it are doing it , those who might think about it already have, those that have done it and given up already have, how many now would be tempted by **Earn £200 - £500 PTFT ** flyers stuck to lamposts? This is why they can't even get popel to gold any more and few that do actually hold it.

Here's a thing - take note on the lists of distributors that gavin scott puts up, find a name and follow it for a few periods opr go back to the beginning of the year and find one at gold and follow it. Few hold it properly going up and down but never rising above.


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What is also not made public knowledge is a fair few of the Big Earners in Kleeneze joined from other networks and brought large teams over with them.
I also think now its teh big retailers that are holing the betwork together and hence why they push the brochure side of the Biz.

Debbie

cgk1

This thread should be closed, it's just a sly way for MLM snakeoil merchants to try and recruit.

cgk1

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I think alot of people just don't understand the concept properly, the fact is we all participate in network marketing every time we share information with someone else, whether its a film you liked or a product you would or wouldn't recommend.

This is a distortion but a good example of MLM people twisting concepts to try to normalise their behaviour - what you are referring to is the concept of opinion leaders and references groups - the critical difference being what it actually means and how you have twisted it is that a opinion leader is someone who stands to make no financial gain from the the advice they provide to others in the reference group.

PatrickD

cgk1 wrote: »

This thread should be closed, it's just a sly way for MLM snakeoil merchants to try and recruit.

Another poster who doesn't want discussion, only their own opinions on show.
''I don't like your opinions so close the thread!'' dear oh dear :mad:

Pat

PatrickD

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

PatrickD wrote: »

lets not pretend there are some sort of hidden market beaters out there , there aren't, lets be frank, whilst you might think wikanio or what ever it is are super products lets face it most aren't bothered. If you could sell to every other person in the street you'd make a million. But today with such a vast range of stuff online and in the shops it's drop in the ocean really isn;'t it?

Yes I do think that the products I use and sell are super products, sorry to disagree with you. And the great thing is, my customers think the same way. I just made a rather large sale last weekend and I've just delivered the products to a very happy customer.
I don't need to sell to everyone on the street to make a million (I don't want to make a million anyway); I just need to find a few customers and a few distributors who I'll help to do the same thing. Thats how MLM works. There are better ways than Kleeneze and you would do well to realise that instead of bringing that company up all the time.

Pat

Jeanetteathome

PatrickD wrote: »

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Yes I do think that the products I use and sell are super products, sorry to disagree with you. And the great thing is, my customers think the same way. I just made a rather large sale last weekend and I've just delivered the products to a very happy customer.
I don't need to sell to everyone on the street to make a million (I don't want to make a million anyway); I just need to find a few customers and a few distributors who I'll help to do the same thing. Thats how MLM works. There are better ways than Kleeneze and you would do well to realise that instead of bringing that company up all the time.

Pat

YOU would do well to realise the YOU were the one that brought up Kleeneze in to this thread in the first place .

I never said they weren't super products but you have to face the fact - hard as it is for you it seems - that whilst you are enthusiastic for the products and the organisation few have heard of it , it's comparatively new as well. It's use of MLM will ALWAYS have a taint about it here in the UK , they always will. As I *tried* to explain to you on paper it looks fine - it really does - but in practice it's very much different.

Lets cut to the chase , given the awful adverts so beloved of kleeneze what adverts are there for Wikinao and what kind of income is promised to folk? If we are literally talking pocket money ( we need to set some arbitrary figure here) say £50 a month then the two are not compatible either in income or expectation. If it was pushed like kleeneze and huge rewards on offer for good results then it would end up the same way - they'd not be able to shift enough stuff and quality would fall as they fall over themselves to recruit instead of pushing product.

For the record *I* want to know these things and I couldn't give a tinkers cuss if others see any answers here as potential recruiting - I want to know.

PatrickD

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

PatrickD wrote: »

YOU would do well to realise the YOU were the one that brought up Kleeneze in to this thread in the first place .

I never said they weren't super products but you have to face the fact - hard as it is for you it seems - that whilst you are enthusiastic for the products and the organisation few have heard of it , it's comparatively new as well. It's use of MLM will ALWAYS have a taint about it here in the UK , they always will. As I *tried* to explain to you on paper it looks fine - it really does - but in practice it's very much different.

Lets cut to the chase , given the awful adverts so beloved of kleeneze what adverts are there for Wikinao and what kind of income is promised to folk? If we are literally talking pocket money ( we need to set some arbitrary figure here) say £50 a month then the two are not compatible either in income or expectation. If it was pushed like kleeneze and huge rewards on offer for good results then it would end up the same way - they'd not be able to shift enough stuff and quality would fall as they fall over themselves to recruit instead of pushing product.

For the record *I* want to know these things and I couldn't give a tinkers cuss if others see any answers here as potential recruiting - I want to know.

Personally I don't use adverts and I certainly don't promise any level of income to folks. I tend to use word of mouth rather than adverts and am much happier leading with the products, then after finding happy customers, show them how they can get a discount on their products or earn extra money if they wish to. You may be surprised to learn that I hate hype and lies as much as you obviously do; an MLM business can be built honestly and ethically too.

Pat