Would you want my job cut?

lostinrates

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

The reason I am not being more specific is because I don't want to reveal my Department. Fair enough surely? OSA has nothing to do with it. What do Wookster, Bendix and all the others do for a living? At least I have the balls to put my cards on the table rather than acting like a five year old with ADHD.

Sir H, the difference is that the other peole you mentioned haven't asked whether their jobs should be cut. I think there are a lot of pointless employees in the private sector too, before anyone starts giving me a virtual kicking.

You are sensible, correct and justified in not giving out further personal information, but you invited comment, and we have commented.

bendix

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

The reason I am not being more specific is because I don't want to reveal my Department. Fair enough surely? OSA has nothing to do with it. What do Wookster, Bendix and all the others do for a living? At least I have the balls to put my cards on the table rather than acting like a five year old with ADHD.

I work in senior management for a large international law firm. My salary is paid for by a private company, NOT by the taxpayers.

You, on the other hand, are a public servant wasting my money protecting us from malfunctioning sparklers. That may or may not be a valuable use of my money: i don't know. But do us a favour; don't come on here during work hours and our expense expecting pats on the back and trying to justify your job.

You started this thread; noone else.

carolt

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

The reason I am not being more specific is because I don't want to reveal my Department. Fair enough surely? OSA has nothing to do with it. What do Wookster, Bendix and all the others do for a living? At least I have the balls to put my cards on the table rather than acting like a five year old with ADHD.

No need to get huffy - you know (I think?) that I agree with you 100% re the value of most of the public sector - I just don't think your post was sufficiently clear to make the point you were trying to make.

I can think off the top of my head of lots of valuable public sector work that is easier to describe and impossible to argue with in terms of its obvious merit.

bendix

lostinrates wrote: »

Sir H, the difference is that the other peole you mentioned haven't asked whether their jobs should be cut. I think there are a lot of pointless employees in the private sector too, before anyone starts giving me a virtual kicking.

Useless jobs in the private sector create tax. They don't spend tax.

Useless jobs in the private sector are noone's concern but the company's owners, managers and shareholders.

Useless jobs in the public sector are everyone's concerns, because they are our employees, acting on our behalf, funded by our tax revenues.

Let them waste time, by all means. That's annoying. But when they then come online looking for plaudits and self-affirmation when they should be busy protecting us from recalcitrant Catherine Wheels, then we have a right to have a view.

If you ran a company and paid for an employee, would this be something you're happy with?

carolt

To be fair, bendix, he did say he wasn't at work today.

bigheadxx

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

!!!!!!, do I have to write this in crayon? If you do not store dangerous items properly, then they are more likely to cause a big fire and an explosion. If you do store dangerous items properly and there is a fire, there is a smaller fire and no explosion. Therefore, the criminal act would have a less serious consequence. Get it now?

Presumably you think that fighter planes should not have ejector seats, because they get shot down anyway? Good grief, think man!

There are hundreds of potentially dangerous items that could be a hazzard if they are not stored correctly. The problem is that the public sector does not know where to draw the line.

The "creep" of this government with regulation and ever tighter controls just leads to more of the same and when the regulation doesnt work or has a detrimental effect on something else what happens? a new regulation, obviously after an expensive and long period of consultation. What is the consequence of this? More public sector employees doing jobs that have been created to solve problems that the Public Sector has created.

A vicious and costly circle which must be broken.

bendix

No he said he wasnt at work yesterday. Is he also not at work today too? I'd be interested to see the research on how many days the average public sector worker IS at work, compared to those in the private sector.

Anyway, I'm sure it's a very demanding job, then, and well worth us paying a salary and some gilt-edged pension plan.

That makes me feel much better.

bendix

bigheadxx wrote: »

There are hundreds of potentially dangerous items that could be a hazzard if they are not stored correctly. The problem is that the public sector does not know where to draw the line.

The "creep" of this government with regulation and ever tighter controls just leads to more of the same and when the regulation doesnt work or has a detrimental effect on something else what happens? a new regulation, obviously after an expensive and long period of consultation. What is the consequence of this? More public sector employees doing jobs that have been created to solve problems that the Public Sector has created.

A vicious and costly circle which must be broken.

Perhaps we need to create a new public sector department to protect us from sharp knives in people's kitchens. My suggestion is to have one Sir H-alike assigned to every UK household, providign training and round the clock vigilance on how to pick it up from the right side.

When the incidence of knife-related catastrophe's falls dramatically as a result, the head of the department can take time off from his duties, head to the computer in the house he or she is assigned to and post a similar note asking if we think it's a job worth keeping.

lostinrates

bendix wrote: »

Useless jobs in the private sector create tax. They don't spend tax.
Agreed.
Useless jobs in the private sector are noone's concern but the company's owners, managers and shareholders.
And the consumers: but we, in most cases have some choice on our use of supplier/provider.

Useless jobs in the public sector are everyone's concerns, because they are our employees, acting on our behalf, funded by our tax revenues.
Agreed.

Let them waste time, by all means. That's annoying. But when they then come online looking for plaudits and self-affirmation when they should be busy protecting us from recalcitrant Catherine Wheels, then we have a right to have a view.

Don't forget Roman candles. Sir H has said he does other stuff, but we are not sure what..I've commented based on the information supplied and lack thereof.

If you ran a company and paid for an employee, would this be something you're happy with?

What, internet use? Depends; if there was nothing gong on and other work was lean but I wanted to retain the employee I probably wouldn't freak about them being onthe internet occasionally. If they were on the internet and complaining that there was to much work etc, then I'd be explaining very clearly that this was not acceptable.

carolt

bendix wrote: »

No he said he wasnt at work yesterday. Is he also not at work today too? I'd be interested to see the research on how many days the average public sector worker IS at work, compared to those in the private sector.

Anyway, I'm sure it's a very demanding job, then, and well worth us paying a salary and some gilt-edged pension plan.

That makes me feel much better.

Sorry bendix, but public sector pensions don't make me angry - what makes me angry is the billions we've thrown at the PRIVATE SECTOR because of the total cacking up by the bankers, financial sector etc.

They were very nicely paid, thank you, and many still are, courtesy of the nice taxpayers bailing them out.

I don't se why we should be attacking 'waste' in the public sector yet let the real wastrels get away.

Unless you're counting workers in nationalised/part-nationalised banks as 'public sector workers' now? :rolleyes: In which case I'd agree with you - sack the lot of them.

And their effing £17 million pension pots. :mad: