We're aware that some users are experiencing technical issues which the team are working to resolve. See the Community Noticeboard for more info. Thank you for your patience.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Making money on bonds

Options
Hi Guys,

I've noticed a few investment funds posting quite high returns recently - I'm guessing due to the recent dash to government debt as a short term safe investment.

I was wondering though - how do funds investing in soveriegn bonds (say) make decent returns (say over 10%)? As I understand it, government IOUs tend to offer returns of like 1.5% - 3% - so how do these funds make up the difference?

I'm guessing its because these bonds also have a "price" at which they trade at and because demand has shot up - so has the "price" (sorry, not sure if price is the right term)

Am I on the right track? e.g. the return is still quite low, but because the price has gone up a lot, these funds are posting big gains?

Or is there some other way that these funds make money?

Many thanks to anyone who can advise

Best Regards

S

Comments

  • KieranB
    KieranB Posts: 70 Forumite
    Now is not the right time to right time to invest in these kind of funds IMO.

    The price of existing bonds RISE when BoE interest rates fall. This is because they will have higher returns than other deposits, gilts and other interest bearing investments.

    Because of the above, funds and pooled investments also rise in price, even if the actual income distributed were to fall.

    Now that the base rate is 0.5%, i would suggest leaving these funds and going into cash for 6 months or so before back into equities and perhaps property.

    Another reason that you will find high returns in you buy a bond direct yourself is because you may be investing in a very high risk company. In the current economic downturn i would suggest against that too.
  • purch
    purch Posts: 9,865 Forumite
    I was wondering though - how do funds investing in soveriegn bonds (say) make decent returns (say over 10%)?

    The return is different from the Yield.

    Gilts and other Bonds are traded instruments and their price fluctuates in response to market conditions.

    Gilts and other Government Bonds have increased in Price greatly over the last 6 months (reducing their effective overall yield) on a flight to perceived quality.

    The Funds holding these instruments have been able to show high overall returns as the price of the Bonds they hold rise in the market, and the Yields on the Bonds remain the same.
    'In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are Consequences.'
  • sh856531
    sh856531 Posts: 450 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 100 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    Thats what I thought - many thanks

    S
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 351K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.1K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 453.6K Spending & Discounts
  • 244K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 598.9K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 176.9K Life & Family
  • 257.3K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.