The greenest car is the one you already own!

Mark300zx

real1314 wrote: »

You got a link to substantiate that claim? Just wondering like?

Have a look on some of the environmental forums, there is plenty of evidence!

since someone mentioned prius' they are one of the worst culprits in damaging the environment in their construction!

Markyt

darich wrote: »

I'd much rather be in a 4-5 year old car in a minor shunt from any direction than a 25 year old vehicel of any description,

I'd rather be in my old series Landrover than my Panda.

Iron girder on front - check
Huge engine in front - check
Solid steel chassis - check

darich

Markyt wrote: »

I'd rather be in my old series Landrover than my Panda.

Iron girder on front - check
Huge engine in front - check
Solid steel chassis - check

that's back to the 42 tonner example again.
of course a much larger heavier vehicle will fair fetter than a smaller lighter car no matter the age.
But most cars aren't big heavy land rovers - most are standard size family saloons and hatchbacks meaning that it's much more likely that's what you'll be in a crash with.

Of course your land rover has the steel chassis and girder so if you hit a wall or anything larger then you have no crumple zones meaning the energy from the crash is transferred to your body.

marmaladebadger

hewhoisnotintheknow wrote: »

yup i tell this too the mongs at work who drive prius's

A prius is the worst thing you can do if you love the fluffy white things (polar bears): their batteries are horrid and all the extra energy used to produce them means that they have more enviromental lifetime impact than a land rover discovery :mad:, makes me mad that the goverment makes you pay half the ammount of tax on the bl**dy things...

steveo3002

shame we cant get some kind of pat on the back for keeping old cars going

the hours ive spent fixing up old parts and mending things rather than running out and buying new bits

and all these green folk think recylcing a few bean tins and using a hemp shopping bag is doing the world some massive favour while they truck around in the lastest 4x4 to keep up with the jones's

Volcano

darich wrote: »

of course a much larger heavier vehicle will fair fetter than a smaller lighter car no matter the age.

That's what I used to think, then a guy on here posted this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ygYUYia9I

...showing a piddly Renault Modus slicing through a Volvo estate.

I've often wondered how much environmental damage is done erecting wind turbines and how long they take to repay simply what they've caused before they start to "make a profit"

"Make a profit"? That'll probably cut in about the same time that we run out of oil. It's almost like someone planned it........

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/pdfs/workshops/2006_summit/vaughan.pdf

big_gay_kirk

most so calledenvironmental measures simply shift the rubbish to somewhere else.. its like electric cars.. they have to get the battery acids, plastics, and electricity for charging from somewhere.. and that means using the oil that would otherwis have fuelled the car....

big_gay_kirk

darich wrote: »

Your car would almost definitely fare worse than most modern cars in a side on impact up to 30mph, and in a rear ender whether you rear end another car or you are rear ended by someone else.

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side on collision in my allegro with a nearly new focus six years or so back... I opened the door, got out, and managed to get the car back on the road within a week... the other driver (who hadn't bothered to look right at a junction....) had to be cut out..... and when a renault clio rear ended my 1988 Lada Estate, I definitely came out of it best..... no injuries, little damage to my vehicle, where the clio was a write off and the driver broke his ribs on the steering wheel as it came towards him....

LandyAndy

Markyt wrote: »

I'd rather be in my old series Landrover than my Panda.

Iron girder on front - check
Huge engine in front - check
Solid steel chassis - check

:j :T :j :T :j :T :j :T :j

Not that I'm biased at all.:rolleyes:

LandyAndy

darich wrote: »

that's back to the 42 tonner example again.
of course a much larger heavier vehicle will fair fetter than a smaller lighter car no matter the age.
But most cars aren't big heavy land rovers - most are standard size family saloons and hatchbacks meaning that it's much more likely that's what you'll be in a crash with.

Of course your land rover has the steel chassis and girder so if you hit a wall or anything larger then you have no crumple zones meaning the energy from the crash is transferred to your body.

12' long and 5' wide.