Do you think we could have avoided recession if the Tories were in power?

Gorgeous_George

ManAtHome wrote: »

Really - I thought the gap between UK rich and poor had widended over the last 10 years or so..?

I think it would have been much worse under the Tories.

GG

treliac

Teacher2301 wrote: »

We call it 'positive reinforcement' and 'Every Child Matters' (ECM) with Personalised Learning (PL) to help them understand Social and Emotional Aspects of Learning (SEAL) and to work creatively together whilst at the same time manage themsleves, others and reflect on their learning (Personal Learning and Think Skills - PLTS) - you can forget teaching them Darwin's theory of natural selection - not enough time!

Notice the number of anacronyms - last count we had nearly 300 in education over the last 12 years - anyone spot a link?

Reading that lot, it does sound quite sad, whoever thinks it all up?

If anyone is really interested in their welfare then it's well overdue that school children were properly protected from the most damaging torment many have to face during their precious few years of growing up -

We could call it SBN - Stop Bullying Now!!

Degenerate

tomterm8 wrote: »

A friend of mine went through a period of unemployment a couple of years ago due to a bad back. She spent 18 months living between friends, and sometimes sleeping on the street. She has no mental health issues, and she is not addicted to anything. She worked before her bad back, and since the doctors finally sorted out, she is back working. Because she was not a priority case, the council weren't obliged to help her.

Local authorities have a statutory duty to provide assisstance to people in that situation. She would have been entitled to housing benefit. What happened to her original accomodation?

tomterm8

Degenerate wrote: »

Actually they were, local authorities have a statutory duty to provide emergency accomodation for people in that situation. She would also have been entitled to housing benefit. She obviously wasn't very good at pressing for her rights.

Please give me a reference to the law that provides such a right. I am sure that, e.g. Shelter would like to update their web site with this information. Local authorities only have a statutory duty to provide accomodation to those who are in priority need. She wasn't.

Local Housing Allowance (which is the form that Housing Benefit takes for most people) doesn't guarantee that you will get enough money to rent a home. It also doesn't guarantee that you will have a deposit that the landlord requires. A lot of people end up falling through the cracks.

And I agree, she isn't good at pressing for her rights. Her life improved substantially when I and my mother got involved. But who said people who are in poverty are necessarily good at pressing for their rights? The lack of good education and the fact that as someone who isn't a scrounger she doesn't know the right buttons to press doesn't stop someone being homeless and needing help.

Degenerate

tomterm8 wrote: »

Please give me a reference to the law that provides such a right. I am sure that, e.g. Shelter would like to update their web site with this information. Local authorities only have a statutory duty to provide accomodation to those who are in priority need. She wasn't.

I was already changing the post you're referring to before your reply got posted. The statutory right exists but as you say they do have this "priority need" getout clause. I had assumed that sleeping on the street would qualify as such and agree that it's bloody diabolical that it doesn't.

Nevertheless, as you have acknowledged, she can't have been good at pressing for her rights. She would have been entitled to live in rented accomodation paid for by housing benefits and should have been able to arrange that before she ended up on the street. In fact from what you describe she was probably entitled to incapacity benefit as well.

Sir_Humphrey

nickmason wrote: »

Or was it because you wanted to smear him (and by extension me) with suggestions that a quick drink in a club and Tory policy can be fixed?

For that, Sir Humphrey, I suggest those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Your lot redefined sleaze. How is Mr Tessa Jowell?

It is pretty well known that the Tories are quite happy to have lobbyists provide them with policies, and that Shezza is a person people like to get in touch with. I have only met Shezza a couple of times. Was he returning officer when you made it to Oxford Union president? If so, you must have been fairly good mates surely?...

Teacher2301

treliac wrote: »

Reading that lot, it does sound quite sad, whoever thinks it all up? We could call it SBN - Stop Bullying Now!!

Our beloved Labour government - perhaps SBN should apply to the meddling socialsists as well.

Bloody check for labour spokemen to comment that the Tories inheritance tax is unsustainable...a better way of saying...we f****d up the countries money so your tax plans ain't going to work - the public are too dumb to re-elect us and so - it'll be your problem to sort out this mess.

I say re-vote the blundering idiots back in for another term to sort out the mess - let them make another complete c**k-up and sue their asses for malpractice and sending a country to ruin.

Did I say that out loud!!!!

PJB

Reaper wrote: »

But do you guys really think it would have been any different if the Conservatives had been in power?

DEFINITELY!

tomstickland

One thing that struck me recently is that politicians like to believe that they control things, but most of it would happen anyway without them doing anything. In a lot of ways I'd prefer if they did less and stopped changing things to make themselves feel useful.

Yes, we'd still suffer a major recession with the Tories in power.

ManAtHome

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

I think it would have been much worse under the Tories.

Worse for who - the spivs or the prudent..?