Ask an Immigrant thread

ricll

As a legal immigrant myself I would be lying if I said I gave a monkey's about other people's opinions on this issue. I fully recognize (and even support) everybody's rights to express their opinions though - even the BNP's nutcases'.

bendix

john.xs wrote: »

in regards to referring to sharia law i think you should repect the law of the land and not expect to make your own rules up! either integrate or emigrate to a land that already practice sharia law. i doubt many would be rushing off to afghanistan or saudi as they know there lives would be significantly.. cake and eat it comes to mind!more restricted

Completely agree with the general thrust about sharia law, but I think it's not as clear cut as that. If the 20 million or so British citizens who emigrated from the UK to USA, Australia, Canada, NZ, India, West Indies, Malaysia, Singapore and countless other places had taken your advice, none of those countries would be liberal democracies today.

It seems we Brits have been very keen to impose our ways onto other nations and societies, but less receptive when others want to do it to us.

bendix

ricll wrote: »

As a legal immigrant myself I would be lying if I said I gave a monkey's about other people's opinions on this issue. I fully recognize (and even support) everybody's rights to express their opinions though - even the BNP's nutcases'.

Agree. And that tolerance of others' views and their right to express them is the thing that makes me proudest of being English.

I also think it's a good strategy. Allowing the BNP and other extremist nutters (and I include radical Islam, and the far left in this) to proclaim their views is valuable for two reasons:

1) It truly marginalises these nutters and their views, but in a legitimate way. Anyone with an ounce of sense looks at them disparagingly and airing nonsense ideals allows them to be rightly vilified.

2) It acts as a pressure valve. Suppress these views and they fester, get strong, and are fuelled by a sense of injustice.

Just look at how our very own nutters are marginalised here on MSE. This is liberal democracy in action.

ninky_2

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Do you mean Sharia criminal law or Sharia civil law? Interesting documentary (C4 I think) on this issue the other night. Seems their criminal punishments might out of the dark ages, but their civil system is pretty modern and sensible.

anything that passes as a good idea on merit can easily be transferred into a secular system.

for example, i think we'd all agree, "thou shalt not kill" is a good idea. although in this case i think we could pretty much have come up with that one on our own and didn't need allah, jehovah or any other so called prophet to tell us.

i just don't go with the argument that because a religion has some good ideas (and invariably these are ideas that exist outside of the religion anyway), we need to consider all the other ridiculous ideas (covering your head with a bit of cloth, compulsorily traveling to a particular part of the planet as some sort of pilgrimage, not eating certain foods, not being allowed to adopt children, chanting words that may not even be in your own tongue whilst moving your body in a preset way at specific times of day) as feasible too.

PolishBigSpender

penguine wrote: »

I've heard this kind of anecdote before. Most recently it was someone complaining that Polish women are flocking over to the UK 8 months pregnant just so that they can have a baby on the NHS. Perhaps this happens occasionally -- but so rarely that it's a non-issue. Most women prefer to have their babies close to home with their family nearby, not in a foreign country surrounded by strangers.

Ahahahaaa...

Actually, Polish maternity care far exceeds the UK standard. For instance, every birth has a doctor present, unlike in the UK.

Certainly no-one I know would dream of having a child in the UK.

etz

I'm an alleged immigrant, since I'm still a foreign national. Funny, all my grandparents are British which makes me a whole lot more British than some people I routinely see claiming to be British.

Immigration is a wholly positive thing, when it's properly administered. How any immigrant is actually able to claim benefits boggles the mind. Then again, the government is stupid enough to allow illegals to stay for months or years while awaiting immigration hearings, while banning them from working...

In all honesty, the biggest problem is the whole "they took our jobs" mentality.

No, they didn't. They either took the jobs you didn't want, or simply out competed you for the job you did want. Then there are those of us who have started our own companies and are creating, or attempting to create, jobs for our local communities.

That said, my field is IT and I will say this : I'd probably hire a skilled legal immigrant over a born Brit. The sense of entitlement I've found British IT techies have makes them much harder to keep happy. They want higher pay and less hours and many think they're too good for doing anything dirty, even when it's necessary.

I am talking about highly skilled people (MCSE, CCNA, Citrix, VMWare etc.) here, and while it may not be the best use of their skills, if the job is important enough that the Directors are mucking in, it's not beneath any employee, no matter how skilled...

Until the British public, as a general whole, gets its head straight and realises that immigration is a good thing and the benefit society is a bad thing, this will remain a problem. If you're on the dole, you should be made to work for the government, not sit at home.

cocktail

etz wrote: »

That said, my field is IT and I will say this : I'd probably hire a skilled legal immigrant over a born Brit. The sense of entitlement I've found British IT techies have makes them much harder to keep happy. They want higher pay and less hours and many think they're too good for doing anything dirty, even when it's necessary.
why shouldnt they! it is our born right to get everything in a platter. we should get more money for being british, in fact we should get more for doing nothing.
Until the British public, as a general whole, gets its head straight and realises that immigration is a good thing and the benefit society is a bad thing, this will remain a problem. If you're on the dole, you should be made to work for the government, not sit at home.

the govt. would take care of our children, our parents, our health, pensions, our mortgages, etc. why would anyone suggest we work for it. the govt. is not spending its own money is it. if it wants more it will nust print more. innit
we dont have to be good or worth the job. we are british and this is britain so the job should be ours. when will people understand that. why should anyone employ an immigrant who may be more hardworking and suitable for the job, would not be eligible for benefits or handouts from the government, would probably be thus paying more taxes. why, just why????

sadsadjenjen

I am the daughter of legal immigrants. born and raised here. I agree legal immigration is necessary stops all the inbreeding,:rotfl::rotfl:
Illegal immigrants/asylum seekers should be put to work for board and food only whilst theirs claims are being assessed, a bit like the american food stamps system . No free housing no entitlement to any services without deductions from their wages.

Sorry but I am upset at the diss service goverment policies have brought on decent hard working people regardless of where they come from, colour or gender. A hard worker is always an asset to a Company. :mad: