Teacher in 6 months, Head teacher in 4 years

kabayiri

nomoneytoday wrote: »

Or how about, pivot tables, charts, excel vlookups, macros, mail merges, presentations and web design?

All of which are expected as standard

:rotfl:
Yes, I had a slight joke mode. It was just the Little Britain image which came into my mind.

All you really need is for the computer to have 2 symbols on the screen, one for "Yes" and one for "No".

No need to justify the computer's decision. Computers are never wrong

Markyboy1972

Some interesting observations about the role of a teacher and the part played by the initial training. A few observations though that perhaps others have not fully considered:

1. 4 years to become a head? Why worry about the time it has taken someone. There is much debate here about the expereince needed and it always seems to be measured in time. Experience will be gained and effectiveness demonstrated through a variety of ways and who is to say that a teacher of 20 years is better equiped to take on a school than one of 4 years experience? No one can compare because you have to look at the individuals.

2. 4 years experience in a teaching role coupled with experience in a business environment may produce a teacher with all the skills, attributes and ability to run a school. For some, they will need longer.

3. Why the specific reference to bankers - read the article. It refers to any occupation.

4. And if Teachers are assessed frequently and properly then those that have not reached the required standard (regardless of the training period length!) will be out.... or at least should be!

That's me done ...

nomoneytoday

kabayiri wrote: »

:rotfl:
Yes, I had a slight joke mode. It was just the Little Britain image which came into my mind.

Hence my smiley

poet123

No mention of where this training will take place,or when it will be rolled out nationally. So probably just pie in the sky talk.

nomoneytoday

Kenny4315 wrote: »

I think you'll find that A level math's is now a total joke, even 10 years ago it was tougher than now, turning up seems to get you at least a pass. As can be seen by the year on year increasing pass percentage.

As with all exams a certain amount need to pass in each level but making it easy doesn't make students better it makes them worse. It is now difficult to establish a real grade A student, when I did my A levels getting an A at math's meant you were FFing well good at maths and also did tons of work, and was only obtained by a very very few.

True.

Despite not being in a class room for 20 odd years, I managed to score 94% on last year's GCSE paper

ninky_2

I'd like to see a question from a recent A level maths paper just so we could all judge how easy it really is. Anyone got one?

spuds_2

Any teacher will tell you that GCSE's and A levels are easier than they used to be. They are more skills based, rather than knowledge based. Some exams, like Design and Technology GCSE, could be passed by an average adult using their common sense and general knowledge. Lots of exams consist of analysing bits of source material that are there in front of you. The effect this has had is that you now need A' levels for a job that 20 years ago would require 5 O' levels, and a degree for an A' level job.

The government is obsessed with the idea of social engineering and that 50% of the population should go to university. Consequently academic standards have had to be lowered.

I don't think anyone is against the idea of people from other professions coming into teaching, just the idea that after 4 years you would be experienced enough to run a school.

The pay is not that bad in teaching these days, it's just what you have to put up with in many schools that leads to the large number newly qualified teachers dropping out:

• London fringe: £21,619 to £31,138
• Outer London: £24,000 to £33,544
• Inner London: £25,000 to £34,768
• Rest of England and Wales: £20,627 to £30,148

The Times, July 2008:

"The drop-out rate for would-be teachers is rising – with modern language and maths courses among those with the worst record.

A report out today shows that 15 per cent of all trainees drop out before the end of their course (up from 14 per cent last year) with 28 per cent failing to take up a teaching post once they graduate."

silvercar

Drop out rate will increase with these new measures. I would imagine people will start these courses whilst still on the look out for a job in their current area. If a job materialises they will drop out, if not they will continue.

mewbie_2

I can't be bothered to check the figures, someone else will to prove me wrong no doubt, so that saves me the effort. I'll just make my statement anyway based on what I think is the case.

There's something wrong with a society that pays it's police more than it's teachers.

MyLastFiver

ninky wrote: »

I'd like to see a question from a recent A level maths paper just so we could all judge how easy it really is. Anyone got one?

You can find past papers on the exam board websites. AQA is the biggest. Their A Level maths papers are here: http://www.aqa.org.uk/qual/gceasa/mathematics_assess.php