Challenging council parking tickets

TheBogsDollocks

Ian..the other posters have given you good advice. I understand your frustration but refusing to paywill ultimately take each PCN within the region of £400.

There is a possibility that we can help you to avoid any payment but you need to co-operate. To get a PCN cancelled, does in most cases rely on error rather than a councils discretion.

Firstly name the council. Neil has an encyclopaedic knowledge of PCN's and most likely he will be able to advise whether this council's PCN's are compliant with the law.

Neil has also directed you to the Traffic Regulation Order (TRO). If the relevant TRO contains errors or loopholes then a PCN can be quickly cancelled. Try and get hold of the TRO.

I also advise requesting a copy of the CEO's note book entry and any photos. An error may have occured that assists you.

If you are able, upload the PCN here as well as photos of the signs and lines of the contravention that you have alleged to have contravened.

ian_jamieson

Neil_B wrote: »

I suggested your strongest starting point in post #4. The TRO. It may well be that the Council are acting beyond their authority or have done so to date. you did not listen. The info was confirmed by possibly just about the best bailiff advisor I know! (not that you were to know that admittedly).

I asked a simple question - what Council? Nope - too difficult.

Instead you listen to hearsay from the neighbours who are only speculating as you are and now more hearsay from a CEO - whose colleagues you earlier made inappropriate suggestions about?

yes pics are a good idea.
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The council is Gwynedd Council
And the offence is "Parked for longer than permitted (Code 30).
Where do I find this TRO?

I'm going to go get some pics then upload them...

Neil_B

well there you go you see. now getting somewhere. I thought you said you were on double yellows?? you can't be parked for longer than permitted on that? You can't park at all.

TRO is available wherever the Council direct you. Also often at main library. It is your right to view these. If a District Council then they may be held at County level - but usually both.

Still need to see ALL of the PCN. Nothing specifically recalled about Gwynned.
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TheBogsDollocks

Very important that you get the CEO's log book entry for your vehicle and any photos. You need to establish that the CEO did correctly observe your vehicle as having stayed longer than permitted. The notes will need to have recorded when you were first observed amongst other things.

What did the sign say?

ian_jamieson

Neil_B wrote: »

well there you go you see. now getting somewhere. I thought you said you were on double yellows?? you can't be parked for longer than permitted on that? You can't park at all.

TRO is available wherever the Council direct you. Also often at main library. It is your right to view these. If a District Council then they may be held at County level - but usually both.

Still need to see ALL of the PCN. Nothing specifically recalled about Gwynned.
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The double yellows were directly out my flat, but nothing was done because of the despute. These are the ones they painted over the other day and now set them at the 30mins max. The photos are below, see what you think.

I'm guessing I'll have to visit or write to the council to get the TRO then. I don't have the original PCN, never even opened it. Done the same thing as everyone else here, took it off my windshield and throw it on the pavement (i know i know, but the stress of these is killing me). I do have a letter here for a ticket given 09/02/2009 giving me 28 days to pay £50. Though it also gives me the choice to make a representation.
















I've marked some of the circles on the one way sign by accident, the parking limit sign is to the left of it.

Neil_B

Need the PCN still - ask for a copy.

Also the Notice to Owner (the 'letter' you described)

So - still not understanding. At the times you got the PCNs were there yellow lines or not where you parked?

- and yes I agree the situation is stupid - but address it properly through political channels. Have you involved your local Councillor?

Don't ask the Council to send the TRO - go and view it.
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ian_jamieson

Need the PCN still - ask for a copy.

Ok, i'll write to them and ask for a copy

Also the Notice to Owner (the 'letter' you described)

Will scan it in

So - still not understanding. At the times you got the PCNs were there yellow lines or not where you parked?

No, I wasn't on the double yellows when I got my tickets, I was in the 30mins max shown in the photos above.

- and yes I agree the situation is stupid - but address it properly through political channels. Have you involved your local Councillor?

No, could be a good idea. I'll try and find out who it is. I did email a councillor about the poor broadband service we get in the area from BT. He did check it out, but was powerless to do anything about it.

Don't ask the Council to send the TRO - go and view it.

I think I'm confused to what a TRO is now.