Rail extension tickets and Conditions of Carriage discrepancy

Mids_Costcutter

Re: Condition 19c of the Conditions of Carriage. Can anyone explain why season tickets issued by a passenger transport executive are treated differently? " for this purpose does not include Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a passenger transport executive or local authority". I regularly travel in the West Midlands using a combination of standard ticket and nTrain pass and have never experienced any problems during ticket checks, however it seems this is not permitted! Perhaps a lack of awareness of rules? However I'd be really grateful to know the thinking behind this.

omelette451

Mids_Costcutter wrote: »

Re: Condition 19c of the Conditions of Carriage. Can anyone explain why season tickets issued by a passenger transport executive are treated differently? " for this purpose does not include Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a passenger transport executive or local authority". I regularly travel in the West Midlands using a combination of standard ticket and nTrain pass and have never experienced any problems during ticket checks, however it seems this is not permitted! Perhaps a lack of awareness of rules? However I'd be really grateful to know the thinking behind this.

As I see it, the thinking behind this is that local authority-issued tickets are not route-specific. You can go anywhere within a designated area rather than only over a pre-arranged route, so it's harder to treat the 'extra' as an add-on.

Mark_Hewitt

And as pointed out in the other thread on this topic. You can often find that as well as buying a season ticket from A to B you could also probably buy a season ticket from A to B2 (where B2 is a station further along the line, but close to for the same price. As they tend to price season tickets to major stations and minor stations lumped into the same price.

An example is a season from York to Durham is £397. But a season from York to Chester-le-Street (about 10 minutes further along the line) is the same price.

So if I was living in Durham and working in York it would serve me well to buy a Chester-le-Street to York season as I could use the ticket from Durham to Chester-le-Street too.

And if I wanted to go to Newcastle I'd only have to buy a CLS-Newcastle ticket rather than a Durham - Newcastle ticket, even if I use a train which doesn't stop at CLS, a saving of £1.40!

All very complicated!

gner_ex

Mids_Costcutter wrote: »

Re: Condition 19c of the Conditions of Carriage. Can anyone explain why season tickets issued by a passenger transport executive are treated differently? " for this purpose does not include Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a passenger transport executive or local authority". I regularly travel in the West Midlands using a combination of standard ticket and nTrain pass and have never experienced any problems during ticket checks, however it seems this is not permitted! Perhaps a lack of awareness of rules? However I'd be really grateful to know the thinking behind this.

I don't know the answer - however most of these PTE tickets were created in say the 1980s when British Rail was very different. i.e. the revenue from a Birmingham-Wolverhampton season ticket went to BR, but the revenue from a Centro day thingy went to them, and BR didn't see any reason to give extra concessions to customers that weren't their own. This is a guess.

Back in the 1980s we didn't have things like the NRCOC or permitted routes, we had the BR passengers charter, and reasonable routes. Happy days.