Council Tax & Bailiffs

STAMPETER

combo81 wrote: »

Yeh, pay your council tax like the rest of us.

As I pointed out, I'm quite willing to pay a contribution to Street lighting, libraries, rubbish collection etc etc -

I WILL NOT PAY SOMEONE ELSE'S PENSION FUND AND NORMAL DAY TO DAY EXPENCES.......

If YOU are happy to pay someone else's way good on you, and you are a thoroughly decent sort of chap, but don't expect me to is all i'm saying.

STAMPETER

Ally_84 wrote: »

f.a.o Stampeter:

It’s likely that the Council Staff didn’t see any point in you seeing a Magistrate unless you had a valid defence about the granting of your Liability Order. If you did have a valid defence, and the relevant proof, a Magistrate would’ve been made available for you to see.

SORRY, - FORGOT THIS BIT:---- Who gave the COUNCIL the right to decide if I had a "valid defence"?? Again - I don't need a defence, when I haven't been CHARGED with anything. Please explain this......

Why would a Magistrate have been made available for me to see?? - I had a Summons, purporting to be signed and sent by a Clerk to the Justices, to EXPLAIN to the MAGISTRATE ......... the appointment with the magistrate had already been made.

Again - There was no Magistrate, Recorder, or usher in the court room - the Magistrate FAILED the appointment and is thereby in Dishonour.

Why was there no Magistrate, Recorder or Usher present in the court room??

Why would I need a "defence" when I haven't been charged with anything?

Its not MY liability order.

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY RIGHT OF REPRESENTATION?

WHY HAVEN'T THE COUNCIL GIVEN ME FULL DISCLOSURE??

What did I have to "prove" ? I haven't been CHARGED with anything.

The only ‘valid defences’ that a Magistrates would ever take into account are that you have paid the Council Tax and costs in full already before the court date, or that the amount has not been legally demanded from you because a legal conditions have not been met.

If the magistrate would only ever take into account as you describe above, then the magistrate is not MINDFUL OF THE LAW - which I am given to understand is a legal requirement.

I would respectfully and politely suggest to you - that a Fraud on a Grand Scale is being perpetrated on the British Public, using threats of fines, baillifs and imprisonment to quell such questioning as this.

These are that the council hasn’t sent you a bill (giving you 14 days to pay) a reminder or a final notice, or a Summons dated at least 7 days before the court date. They only have to prove they’ve been sent and not that Postman Pat has actually put them through your door. The more obscure of the Legal Conditions is that the council hasn’t met at a full council meeting, set the tax or published in a local paper – if none of these apply the Order will be granted regardless.

The more obscure of the legal conditions - is that none of the councils actions are in fact LAWFUL.

Any amount requested has not been legally made - all council notices of demands for any payments contain threats and exhortations - directly contravening the Bill of Exchange Act 1882.

Again, since when does the complainant become the magistrate summons issuer?

A council cannot legally set and collect taxes. The "Automatic Assent" of 1911 was in direct contravention of the Petition of Right 1627 Act, and the reasons given by Asquith were entirely unfounded and downright lies - the said Act of 1911 had actually been sent back to parliament in 1707 by Queen Anne, and on at least SIX other occaisions since then, the last being King Edward VII.

The Magistrate would not make any exceptions if you say you can’t afford to pay, you are waiting on Benefit being granted or you have an outstanding appeal.

From your message it seems like the order was granted correctly and whilst the letters may not be nice, and may seem threatening to you, it is a tax and deos need to be paid, in the same way that you'd expect your income tax to be taken from your wages, or your mortgage payments to be made. It is a priority debt that needs to be addressed before you look at sky tv or a broadband connection. It may not be what you want to hear, but it's true.

My advice?? Contact you council, make an arrangement, and try to avoid any further costs, such as Bailiff fees, or the embarrassment of your employer being asked to take it straight from your wages.

I don't see how the order could have been granted correctly - there was no Magistrate in attendance at all - so who granted such order??

Oh, by the way, please do not for one moment think I am having a go at you or anyone else on this site. I am just pointing out a few facts - and injustices - and whether ANYONE likes the letters or not, - they ARE threatening - they ARE illegal - and JUSTICE is not being carried out, or at the least being blatantly ignored --- these are FACTS.

I won't address the question of employer - as i'm self employed - nor can I address the comments of Income Tax, whilst I have a Revenue dispute in progress. Sky TV - needed for Broadband connection - needed as an alternative method of recieving funds as my vocation is affected by various government and council policies.

Having been until now a model worker and contributer of taxes - how come i'm not now entitled to anything? My other half had to give up her vocation as care-nurse and we are told she is NOT entitled to anything nor are we entitled even to one person (?) council tax reduction. So that's an added reason that the council isn't getting anything from me. There is no problem with Bailiffs or any other person - I have never been a violent person, I have not been in any trouble - so if i'm now to be labelled a CRIMINAL for a non- violent "offence" - then lock me up. - I don't really care anymore. Enough is enough, and i've had enough. I don't know what the rest of the general public is going to do, when it hits home WHY their council tax is going to go sky-high to pay for the bank bail-outs and the bank personell's bonuses!! Conned again, - and i'm sorry, but i'm out of it now, not in the club anymore, and i'm not paying anymore club fees.

Best Regards, John.

STAMPETER

RobertoMoir wrote: »

What comments do you actually want? You haven't raised discussion points, but rather just had a rant, and apparently complained you hadn't had a reply within about 4 mins at about 3 in the morning.

Hi - Thank you for your reply - I haven't complained that I hadn't had a reply to my post at three in the morning. I never expect any reply, until the following day or maybe a week later - I'm a night worker, (when there is any work), so I tend to go on the pc when I get home, and look if there are any replies at a later date. Sometimes, like now, I have a quick look and possibly answer before I set off.

I would have thought there would have been plenty to discuss with regard to the relevant Acts quoted in my post. Its not hard to check them out. As I previously stated, I've never been in trouble - i'm not a criminal - just a guy who's had enough of paying everyone else's way. Other people haven't woken up to what's happening to them yet.

Yes, I know that's what right is different from the unlawful actions of councils and certain bailiffs - but there again, I've not been told either, whether they are operating Common or Commercial law. In Common Law I've not committed any crime - in Commercial law, they still haven't provided or shown a valid contract between myself and anyone else who wants any money from me.

And "no" - I don't have massive debt problems.

Just a regular joe who's had enough.

Best Regards, John.

combo81

STAMPETER wrote: »

As I pointed out, I'm quite willing to pay a contribution to Street lighting, libraries, rubbish collection etc etc -

I WILL NOT PAY SOMEONE ELSE'S PENSION FUND AND NORMAL DAY TO DAY EXPENCES.......

If YOU are happy to pay someone else's way good on you, and you are a thoroughly decent sort of chap, but don't expect me to is all i'm saying.

So you arent paying any or not the full amount? Its time to grow up Im afraid, if you are one of those polltax crusaders from the early nineties then you do realise theyll eventually make you pay and/or bang you up in clink.

Its a tax, tax evasion is a criminal offence, thats how they see it. Would you walk into a shop and pay less than anyone else because you dont believe in vat? Or drive an untaxed car on the road?
We all have to pay it if we are working, thats it Im afraid. I dont beleive in funding pensions for workshy council layabouts either ( Im sure thats not what its for, don t know where you get that from) and Im not to keen on forking out 100 quid a month, but Im less keen on the consequences if I dont.
But if you think you can beat the system then go ahead. See you here after youve done your 90 days, and you can tell us how cheap it is in prison.

http://www.midbeds.gov.uk/Council_Tax_Benefits/Council_Tax/Council_Tax_Arrears/commit_to_prison.aspx

STAMPETER

combo81 wrote: »

So you arent paying any or not the full amount? Its time to grow up Im afraid, if you are one of those polltax crusaders from the early nineties then you do realise theyll eventually make you pay and/or bang you up in clink.

Total Debt -£14,700 aprox
Paying each month- 800-850 (hopefully)
Hope to be debt free about aug 2010

I don't have any "debts" other than the normal mortgage, bank loan and overdraft facility.

Its a tax, tax evasion is a criminal offence,

Councils are not allowed to raise taxes - Service Charges are a different matter.

thats how they see it. Would you walk into a shop and pay less than anyone else because you dont believe in vat? No, that's a different example of context entirely.

Or drive an untaxed car on the road? - You don't HAVE to pay Car Tax - there is NO TAX for travelling on NON-COMMERCIAL travels - see the travellers for more information on this.

We all have to pay it if we are working, thats it Im afraid. I dont beleive in funding pensions for workshy council layabouts either ( Im sure thats not what its for, don t know where you get that from)

I am currently consulting three different EXPERT economists, highly acknowledged in this field of expertise - should I require them for a later date on my witness list.

and Im not to keen on forking out 100 quid a month, but Im less keen on the consequences if I dont.
But if you think you can beat the system then go ahead. See you here after youve done your 90 days, and you can tell us how cheap it is in prison.

I am under no illusions that I can "beat the system" - its designed for keeping you in perpetual debt. As previously stated - the Acts I have quoted are not hard to find and prove out - I've just had enough of paying someone else's pensions and way through life - I've paid my taxes and served my country, and recently i'm told that my other half, who had to give up her care-nurse employ through ill-health (and who also paid taxes), isn't entitled to anything, and we aren't even allowed the one person reduction (?) in council tax. So there are loads of reasons - FAIR reasons - but since when has a public body, (now registered as a company - look it up on Dunn & Bradstreet)- been anything like fair?

I don't CARE anymore. Lock me up. Who cares ? they don't - I don't - no-one does.

Sorry, mate, gotta go, - please don't take offence at my earlier post - I've never intended to cause offence - never been a "criminal" never been in trouble - and never been "entitled" to anything, even when I was a single Father with three kids!!!

Bye for now, best regards, John. (and bear with me while i get the hang of posting on sites!!)

combo81

I wont take offence, not at all. Im not happy paying it either, I pay it cos its too serious not to mate. You wont win, even if you took it to Brussels, if you are wilfully refusing to pay then they will eventually jail you. Then you will be a criminal.

Youll go in like this 0 and come out like this O

STAMPETER

combo81 wrote: »

I wont take offence, not at all. Im not happy paying it either, I pay it cos its too serious not to mate. You wont win, even if you took it to Brussels, if you are wilfully refusing to pay then they will eventually jail you. Then you will be a criminal.
Youll go in like this 0 and come out like this O

Good Evening, (well, it is for me!) The seriousness of it all depends on your point of view. I suppose - Its VERY serious, that a supposedly public body,(who are in fact a company - did you look it up?) - paid for by you and yours - supposedly there to work for you and yours, - is being allowed to get away with fraud, corruption, lies, and treason on a grand scale at every level. No-one has yet explained to me, how this is the only NON-VIOLENT "offence" that can carry a term of imprisonment, and that is the least of the explanations they won't give me.

How about Full Disclosure? That never accompanied the Bill of Exchange sent to me. Or would they like to call it a contract? - For a contract to be binding, there has to be Offer, Consideration, and Agreement. Show me my contract, and show me my signature Agreeing or Considering the Contract.......

I know I won't win - the system isn't geared for you or I to "win". There are only people like myself, and these numbers are growing daily, who's actions are at least slowing them down. If no one stood up and said "Sod off" - how quick and how high do you think the unlawful council tax would be by now?

No-one has actually addressed the question of how high its going to go in the coming, say, 2 years - I don't think a lot of people give thought either, to the questions - eg: With firms in this country going bust DAILY - and the taxes going higher and higher - who's going to be left to pay them? You're all out of work - there's no money as you aren't entitled - and if even if you have NO money - you still HAVE TO PAY THE COUNCIL TAX??? You have to keep your sense of humour mate - you'd cry if you didn't.

In whose eyes would I be a criminal? I haven't committed any OFFENCE. The council are the ones who are committing the offences - signing Summonses in the name of a Clerk to the Justices, etc etc. If councils are allowed to send out summonses on behalf of the magistrates, (with the magistrates permission) - then what's the point of having a magistrate? Never mind the obvious fact, that the magistrate who gave such permission is not MINDFUL OF THE LAW - and has no such authority to give such permission in the first place......

How was the liability order obtained, when there was NO MAGISTRATE PRESENT? - My right to Free Appeal has also being denied, as has my Right to Representation.

Even if I took it to Brussels? - What has Brussels got to do with it?? This is a conglomeration of non-entities who are trying to obtain a legal standing. An UNELECTED BODY - who haven't had their accounts passed by the auditors in the last FOURTEEN YEARS at least - why would I have anything to do with such a bunch of crooks and REAL CRIMINALS?? - Now I have it in writing from the council, that they have NOT adopted ANY eu rules, laws or regulations - so are we in fact now going to proceed in Common Law? (British Law).

As a small aside, my accountant agrees that when Gordie the Traitor starts printing MORE paper called money - it is in FACT devaluation. Did you know that the paper money USED to have printed on it ... " I promise to pay the bearer..... IN GOLD ??? Why has THAT disappeared?? Did you know this Country of ours has been operating in bankruptcy since 1694 ?? When the king borrowed money at an extortionate rate to fight his wars - and the money lenders extracted an agreement, that a banking system would be set up - and THE PUBLIC TAXED to repay it?? - - -Its not hard to find, its not hard to look up - - it IS slightly difficult to understand that we are being conned from Birth to Death. ........ I'm out mate, folded me cards and gone home.

Regards, John.

combo81

You are paranoid make no mistake. You seem to have achip on your shoulder regarding local authority...why?

Evasion of council tax isnt the ONLY non violent offence you can get jail for.
What about burglary, fraud, car theft, indecent exposure, there are loads.
What about the council workers, it isnt a 'us against them' scenario that you think it is, the council workers still pay council tax.
If you have no money coming in you apply for council tax benefit, so wont have to pay all or any of it. Its based on income.

The way your talking is that no one should pay anything, no income tax, nada. Who is gonna pay for the society you live in then? We all pay to support that infrastructure, other wise youd have anarchy.

At the end of the day its your choice, but I hope you take some soap on a rope.

STAMPETER

combo81 wrote: »

You are paranoid make no mistake. You seem to have achip on your shoulder regarding local authority...why?

I'm not alone in "having a chip on my shoulder" in regard to ANY "authority" who start operating a stalinistic/nazi/stasi type regime, or "follow" unlawful orders from the Traitors on high. Please don't misunderstand me, I have no personal grudge against any one person. I do have a grudge against injustice, fraud and corruption perpetrated against me and anyone else.

Evasion of council tax isnt the ONLY non violent offence you can get jail for.
What about burglary, fraud, car theft, indecent exposure, there are loads.
What about the council workers, it isnt a 'us against them' scenario that you think it is, the council workers still pay council tax.
If you have no money coming in you apply for council tax benefit, so wont have to pay all or any of it. Its based on income.

I am NOT evading council tax, (evading is illegal - avoidance isn't) - I have requested on a number of occasions to be sent a VALID invoice signed by the authorised drawer under the full regulations including Full Disclosure.

Burglary/car theft/ANY theft - Fraud and Indecent Exposure are criminal offences in most any nation worldwide.

As before, - after both of us formerly paying taxes and still one person with no income - and my having had virtually no income since last year - I'm told I'm not even entitled to claim..... never mind receive anything. Regarding an unpaid claim from a couple of years ago - that's all I can say at the moment for future "defence" reasons, or when I begin High Court Actions against the council or members of the council or both.

The way your talking is that no one should pay anything, no income tax, nada. Who is gonna pay for the society you live in then? We all pay to support that infrastructure, other wise youd have anarchy.

I have never said that no-one should pay anything - indeed, I have always maintained and fully agree that we, including myself, should contribute to Street Lighting, Libraries (those that don't suppress free speech - check those out too - its not hard) - street cleaning, rubbish disposal etc etc .....all I've said is, that If i'm not entitled to anything - I'm not going to pay anything - I'm not going to pay other people's way through life, - and i'm not going to support anything that is contributing to the erosion of my Heritage and Culture, the selling out of my country etc etc. There is going to be anarchy down the line somewhere, - just by the despicable actions of the so-called incumbents presently calling themselves a government. That's not just my own opinion - Its been warned about by prominent persons for years.

If you take out of the so called council tax, all the non-infrastructural elements, you would be paying something like a maximum of £100 per year. Don't quote me on that - its a ball park figure that's been mooted about by other economists.

There are of course other contributing factors, which I have brought up before - concerning the legalities of the council and higher authorities actions - either you have a law for the complete society you speak of, which applies to all, or you have one law for "them", and one for "us". I've just given up paying for the "them" element of it.

Did you check out the stuff I mentioned?? Have you noticed the deafening silence from the senior council tax official??

Sorry, my apologies, there must be more time given for checking out what i've said. And the interesting thing about that is - once attention has been brought to the said official........oh, never mind, I'll save that one for later.

There isn't much more I can say, without going round in circles - I firmly believe that if you and anyone else reading this, and the previous posts, checks out the Acts and everything else I've said, you will find it correct.

Being right, dosn't make it right that the ones who would rule your society
can also remove any rights that you thought you had - but hey, - that's life - like I said, I've woken up, and also reached the enough is enough point, a bit faster than some others - so i'm opting out.

I'll keep an eye out on this particular posting site - in case the council official carries out a Full Investigation - which is also a requirement once attention has been brought to the notice of such an official.......

Good Luck with your repayments, - though I rather think that August 2010 is a bit optomistic.
Good bye and Best Regards, John.

combo81

Why cant you claim anything? How have you had virtually NO income since last year?