IE8 - if at first you fail miserably...

PROLIANT

Aiadi wrote: »

And who was it that came up with the idea of tabbed browsing (that you seem to like) in the first place???
http://news!!!!et.com/IE-7-to-take-a-cue-from-Firefox/2100-1032_3-5710357.html

Proof?

[Deleted User]

Aiadi wrote: »

And who was it that came up with the idea of tabbed browsing (that you seem to like) in the first place???
http://news!!!!et.com/IE-7-to-take-a-cue-from-Firefox/2100-1032_3-5710357.html

I think you'll find it was Netcaptor that first introduced tabs to browsers. Not that it matters, Ford may have made the first motor car with four wheels but I chose to drive an Audi instead.

Aiadi

PROLIANT wrote: »

Proof?

Well pasting a link on the forum is not working for some reason. Just help yourself to Google and see the plethora of evidence you're after.

[Deleted User]

markymoo wrote: »

IE 7 doesn't work but everything else does, I have to hack standard code to make it work, when it comes to CSS.

if other browsers can be both have the security element, and display things as it is meant to, then why can't microsoft do that. IE6 could have done this, IE7 should have done this, but they're only just getting to it on IE8

It is my responsibility, but to spend hours designing something that works in 4 out of 5 browsers (i'm classing IE as 1 regardless of version, so FF, Safari, Opera, IE, Chrome) just to regain the remaining 45.7% of users on the internet which actually isn't the majority now, then MS are doing something wrong!

What bugs me more is when you have big companies that design sites that ONLY work in IE. they're discriminating against the MAJORITY of people!

M

When the choice comes down to security or compliance with standards, security should take priority every time. One can be worked around, one can't..

Firefox, Opera, Chrome et all have been in quite a beneficial position that they can take both aspects into their product and come out with very good browsers at the end of it, whereas Microsoft have huge dependencies on the way IE has worked previously in the past in the corporate sector.

A gap of 5% doesn't constitute a majority. Will Internet Explorer lose market share, probably. Will Firefox gain, probably. Will Firefox ever make it the best choice for a corporate deployment, maybe in five years. Until then, Internet Explorer simply is the better choice.

Aiadi

anewhope wrote: »

I think you'll find it was Netcaptor that first introduced tabs to browsers. Not that it matters, Ford may have made the first motor car with four wheels but I chose to drive an Audi instead.

Pretty stupid analogy to be honest with you. Firstly the poster commented on preferring tabbed browsing which Microsoft linched of other browsers (after opera, firefox and netscape had been all using it). Secondly, Audi has improved (and innovated) a good deal more than Ford when it comes to putting things on 4 wheels unlike microsoft whose browser seems to be becoming more riddled with flaws and problems as they move forwards (or backwards in their case).

M4RKM

new dot c n e t dot com slash IE-7-to-take-a-cue-from-Firefox/2100-1032_3-5710357.html

M4RKM

anewhope wrote: »

When the choice comes down to security or compliance with standards, security should take priority every time. One can be worked around, one can't..

Firefox, Opera, Chrome et all have been in quite a beneficial position that they can take both aspects into their product and come out with very good browsers at the end of it, whereas Microsoft have huge dependencies on the way IE has worked previously in the past in the corporate sector.

A gap of 5% doesn't constitute a majority. Will Internet Explorer lose market share, probably. Will Firefox gain, probably. Will Firefox ever make it the best choice for a corporate deployment, maybe in five years. Until then, Internet Explorer simply is the better choice.

but if someone else can make something with security and standards compliance, (and since when has IE actually not had flaws in it that can be hacked through at any time?!) why can't MS do BOTH??? they're probably a bigger company than anyone out there. or is it because they like doing things their own way.

and as for a corporate deployment, the corporate i spent my morning in doing an installation, uses firefox as standard, as do many


and 55% vs 45% means that the 55% is in the majority... because there are more people that don't use IE than there are people that use IE.... 55% of people don't use IE, and 45% of people do use IE. erm.. that's a definate majority there of 5%

M

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Pretty stupid analogy to be honest with you. Firstly the poster commented on preferring tabbed browsing which Microsoft linched of other browsers (after opera, firefox and netscape had been all using it). Secondly, Audi has improved (and innovated) a good deal more than Ford when it comes to putting things on 4 wheels unlike microsoft whose browser seems to be becoming more riddled with flaws and problems as they move forwards (or backwards in their case).

The first browser to be multithreaded and the first to start enforcing integrity levels was IE. Innovation?

markymoo wrote: »

but if someone else can make something with security and standards compliance, (and since when has IE actually not had flaws in it that can be hacked through at any time?!) why can't MS do BOTH??? they're probably a bigger company than anyone out there. or is it because they like doing things their own way.

What gain do Microsoft have by not having their browser compliant with the recommendations that others comply with?

and as for a corporate deployment, the corporate i spent my morning in doing an installation, uses firefox as standard, as do many

What infrastructure is in place to handle updates to Firefox? It's made simple with WSUS for IE, but what's the equivilent for Firefox?

and 55% vs 45% means that the 55% is in the majority... because there are more people that don't use IE than there are people that use IE.... 55% of people don't use IE, and 45% of people do use IE. erm.. that's a definate majority there of 5%

If you want someone to use your site you wouldn't want to exclude 40%+ of users, it wouldn't make sense to do so.

Marty_J

anewhope wrote: »

What gain do Microsoft have by not having their browser compliant with the recommendations that others comply with?

Because it's Microsoft's dream that the internet will be a proprietary place, and no one will be able to use it without paying them some money.

Because Microsoft have the largest share in the browser market, it's advantageous to them to promote technologies which will only work with their products, thereby discouraging people from using a competitor's product. From their point of view, the more websites that are designed to work with their broken browsers, the better.

Microsoft (and those who defend their practices) don't seem to care that this stifles innovation and progress. They abuse their monopoly, not just to the detriment of their competitors, but to you, me, and everyone else in the world who uses a computer.

If you're fine with that, then fair enough.