Failure and bitterness.

islandannie

Generali wrote: »

Oh there are many sad things about this thread.

Indeed there are.

However i did say saddest.

Spartacus_Mills

islandannie wrote: »

This forum surely takes the biscuit.

Can`t get a house, everyones fault but mine.

Can`t get a better paying job to allow me to get a house,read above.

It`s Gordon Browns fault that the majority of the developed worlds banking systems have failed.

It would have been alright under the Tories.

Single mothers have destroyed society.

Maggie says there is no such thing as society to destroy anyway.

Everyones fault but mine.

People on here should write a song about it.

Okay, here goes.

Why
Tell me why
Did a man
have to die
Shot down
In his prime
48..........
or 49

AnnesWitterings

49, oh 49 never ever worked or contributed a dime....
some saw him him as slime, others as invisible and sublime

he ventured out once in fourteen days, just to sign his name,
to him it was just a game, signing that name just to gain

this week it was the sanction word, cos he never went to that job interview cleaning turds of council loos

they want action action or a sanction sanction, will be imposed, he dont care anymore and he heads for the door

moving traffic looks inviting, cars flash by there lights igniting

that manic look of despair as the car hurls him in the air,

goodness me hes gotten someone a job, action action, by scraping up the fraction of that body threatened with a sanction.....


in loving memory of a depressed friend who some jobsworthy in a Jobcentre told his money would be stopped as he wasnt depressed.....

so off I go humming sanction sanction they want action intothe future wondering where thehell itsall going to end

A

and yes its me sorry

lana22

exil wrote: »

You can be impotent and still reproduce. I won't go into details here.

And you can be potent and not be able to reproduce - like most men with a vasectomy.

I think you're confusing impotence and infertility!

I don't think so some how. I was making an attempt at a joke in response to what was clearly (quite relevant) spam.

Not sure I would have got out of med school not knowing the difference between impotence and infertility.

mumps

harrup wrote: »

Why do kids now get paid by the goverment to do their A levels? Not just exceptionally bright kids from modest backgrounds...all of them?

They don't. I assume you are talking about EMA and its mean tested. I know my son doesn't get it and neither did my daughter, she finished her A levels in 2008. It isn't anything to do with how bright they are, purely means tested.

napoleon

I'm not bitter. I just don't see the point in buying something that's going to be alot cheaper in 6, 12, or 18 months' time.

harryhound

Marcheline wrote: »

Hi again Harryhound,

Thanks for your previous link: as you say, we'll never agree, as I found nothing objectionable in the article. With reference to your last post, what would you suggest? Throwing the child to the dogs instead? Marcheline

Hi Marcheline.

We all have these traumatic memories - at the age of about 4, I was lucky enough to have a break from grim urban rationing and enjoy a week's holiday on a relative's farm. (Don't think "Rangerover", think big wooden lever over a stone sink for pump well water - the rest of the village got theirs from a stream by sticking a bucket under a chute in the uphill side of the main street)
I was fascinated to discover small birds, now called "dunnock", responding to cheeping noises from the roof.
At tea, I mentioned what I had seen.
The lady of the house was most agitated "The sparrows have got into the thatch".
The next morning she had a man up a ladder to strangle the lot and block the hole they had made.

I think there is a whole world of difference between scanning the foetus at three months and saying to the mother "I think YOU have a problem, you are pregnant BUT the foetus appears to be developing two heads?"

I would not condem in any way a mother who decided to abort (and try again?) even if medical science were now capable of delivering a two headed premature baby.

(completely off topic - when preparing mummies for the after life, the operating table was attended by a sacred dog, whose job it was to eat the entrails unsuitable for the mummification process).

Some dozen years ago we stayed on another relative's sheep farm. It was our summer but his winter. I remarked to Mrs Hound, that I was uncomfortable and thought we might not be welcome in the middle of lambing. I had visions of an exhausted couple working all night with a Tilley lamp.
The reality was a breakfast conversation next to the log burner looking out at the snow covered hills "Yes I go out every morning with the dogs for an hour to pick up the casualties - It was a good cold but dry night, so only 10% are dog food."

Why the difference in farming practice - at the time the European Common Agricultural Policy paid on a headage basis. As anyone, who watched a notorious documentry about shooting bull calves, will know these days it is simply paid on acres and peoples' customs change in response.

Lambs, infants and even sparrows are all God's creatures - whether we like it or not, we have to make decisions and take INDIVIDUAL responsibility for them.

https://www.iimsec.co.uk/tilley/shop.php?stat=1

Marcheline

harryhound wrote: »

I would not condem in any way a mother who decided to abort (and try again?) even if medical science were now capable of delivering a two headed premature baby.

Hi again Harryhound,

The pair of us were originally debating China's one child policy, which FORCES women to abort/be sterilised etc. In your hypothetical situation quoted above, the woman has not been FORCED to abort by the government. It is my assertion that a government has no right to hold such power over its citizens and it is an outrage that many Western governments are complicit in China's policy.

borosteve_2

At the end of the day there are always going to be people who use their circumstances to their advantage: but for every single mother whos prepared to "play the system" theres going to be another that benefits society. There are also going to be people that try to con doctors into signing them off when its not needed and that look upon disability benefit as a "right" and ironically those who most need it tend to be the very people who aren't usually helped as much as they should be.

Labelling everyone thats unlucky in life as a drain on society is unfair - and in the age of sweeping job losses it really could happen to anyone.

The goverment needs to look at getting the people that want to work back to work, and not just come up with a knee-jerk scheme everytime one of the tabloids comes up with a dubious story of someone one benefits living in a 8 bedroom mansion in Surrey and earning £80k a year in benefits. They should also look at cutting the benefits of people who can work and chose not to - hopefully leaving more money in the pot that need it most. All the major parties heve some good ideas and it would be better if instead of making everything political they just adopted the best polocies regardless of where they come from if they benefit the country.

(Although one of my personal ideas to cut the rate of teenage pregnancy by putting the contraceptive pill in bottles of cider and alcopops has so far not had a reply from the government) .

harryhound

Let us agree, that we are both responsible adults.
Let us all agree that in China those who take personal responsibility and pay the fine can have a second child.
Let us also agree that civil engineers, with a little help from medical science, have created a world where people can live longer and avoid disease, resulting in an exponential increase in population.
Let us agree that traditional methods of restricting fertility - such as restrictions on age of intercourse, draconian sanctions against the unmarried; religious pacts where sections of the community agree to a vow of chastity are historical abuse of human rights?.
Perhaps we in the West are more subtly restricted in our freedom to procreate by expensive housing and seat belt laws for cars?
Even that nice old Etonian J[SIZE=-1]onathon Porritt has put the cat amongst the [/SIZE]pigeons by suggesting the easiest way to double your carbon footprint is to have four kids.
That has inspired the thinking members of the northern clans to respond:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/world/Proposal-to--limit-family.4935015.jp
Meanwhile in the land of the free it is not unsurprising to find someone prepared to exploit the welfare provisions:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5618449.ece
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09033/946318-294.stm

I'm not defending China as a perfect society BUT I am aware of Easter Island as a microcosm of the arrival of homo sapiens ("thinking man") arriving in paradise and wrecking the place.
My generation had an opportunity in the 1960's to make a better world.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7861762.stm
We made something of a hash of it and now the problem is 50% more difficult and a lot more urgent.

Over to you.