PMS Vitamin D and Calcium

Paul_Varjak

Ted_Hutchinson wrote:

When I re-read my posts I find I speak more sense when I am drunk and manic than others so when sober.

But can you find any published peer reviewed research to support your assertion?

Ted_Hutchinson

Paul_Varjak wrote:

But can you find any published peer reviewed research to support your assertion?

Not that particular one but you show me something I've written or claimed that doesn't make sense and I'll consider it again and probably say the same. I appreciate this sounds conceited and arrogant but if I'm right and the scientific evidence supports my views I regard with the utmost contempt those who are too lazy to find the time to study the matter sufficiently to comprehend what the scientists are on about. If and when you can show me something I've posted when drunk or manic that actually is inaccurate or not based on the lastest scientific understanings then I'll accept I may be mistaken but with regard to vitamin d and PMS, vitamin d and cancer, vitamin and Parkinson's, vitamin d and diabetes, vitamin d and ms I've read the research, I understand that research and I'm confident I haven't posted any !!!!!!.

If you don't like it that's your problem not mine.

Paul_Varjak

Ted_Hutchinson wrote:

When I re-read my posts I find I speak more sense when I am drunk and manic than others so when sober.

Paul_Varjak wrote:

But can you find any published peer reviewed research to support your assertion?

Ted_Hutchinson wrote:

Not that particular one

I think that says it all!

shokadelika

Paul_Varjak wrote:

I think that says it all!

Ted stop taking the bait. Ignore "it"

Having checked Varjaks last 300 posts it seems that only the VERY last few are about health issues!

But this was posted on the 29th Jan 2007 with regards to Osteoporosis.


"There are drugs that can halt the condition and, to some extent, reverse the condition. But the best advice I can give is to try to accept it as part of life."


How helpfull!

I don't think anyone has found ANY drugs to reverse this condition!.
But that might include Glucosanomine or Calcium/Magnesium Omega 3 or Cod liver oil or the unmentionable Vitamin? D? all offered for sale on this website by posters seeking the cheapeast (quality) source.

Why the sudden interest in Health PaulV a member since 2004 (as is Ted)!?

Or could it be that looking at messages posted Ted has 36626 thanked posts whilst PV is somewhat lagging at
208 ?

shokadelika

Paul_Varjak wrote:

nightsong wrote:

Quite honestly, I don't think Ted has the reasoning capabilities of a backward 12 year-old child. Point out any glaring error in his posts and his response will usually be another rambling post followed by a few PMs that bear little relation to the disputed point.

Not only does he present pseudo-science but he frequently attempts to dress-up his ranting and ravings as pseudo money-saving too! But as long as he has a following on here that actually believes in the gobblegook he writes that will only continue to feed his own ego-manic personality.

What makes me MAD or SAD

When someone has made 300 posts on this WHOLE site and about 15 of them (sic!)
are concerning health issues when they offer no (alternative) advice yet seek to discredit a regular poster on these boards who is (extremely) well researched or that at least has managed to "raise peoples awareness to outlying/alternative treatments for their condition"
Which Is why People come her in the first place:

the Medical Establishment has let them down or offers NO alternatives!.

Paul_Varjak

shokadelika wrote:

What makes me MAD or SAD

When someone has made 300 posts on this WHOLE site and about 15 of them (sic!)
are concerning health issues when they offer no (alternative) advice yet seek to discredit a regular poster on these boards who is (extremely) well researched or that at least has managed to "raise peoples awareness to outlying/alternative treatments for their condition"
Which Is why People come her in the first place the Medical Establishment has let them down or offers NO alternatives!.

But this site is not for seeking or promoting medical advice!

shokadelika

Paul_Varjak wrote:

But this site is not for seeking or promoting medical advice!

So why did you say this :

"There are drugs that can halt the condition and, to some extent, reverse the condition. But the best advice I can give is to try to accept it as part of life."

Could you please post the names of the Drugs Cited above from your research thanks since you are aware of them?.

Paul_Varjak

shokadelika wrote:

So why did you say this :

"There are drugs that can halt the condition and, to some extent, reverse the condition. But the best advice I can give is to try to accept it as part of life."

That does not constitute medical advice!

shokadelika

Paul_Varjak wrote:

That does not constitute medical advice!

"There are drugs that can halt the condition and, to some extent, reverse the condition. But the best advice I can give is to try to accept it as part of life."


Sorry you misunderstood?

I am looking for evidence as quoted (peer reviewed) that should be easily available in the Public domain as to drugs that have the ability to " halt or reverse the condition of Osteoporosis."

If I have to pay prescription charges and find the cheaper benefits of non prescription drugs are effective that should be "money saving."

I am not seeking medical advice I just want to be able to read the evidence that such drugs exist?.

And then I can ask my G.p. about them?


Couldn't you supply a link or something about your research into ---Osteoporosis---?

nightsong

shokadelika wrote:

Paul_Varjak wrote:

What makes me MAD or SAD

When someone has made 300 posts on this WHOLE site and about 15 of them (sic!)
are concerning health issues when they offer no (alternative) advice yet seek to discredit a regular poster on these boards who is (extremely) well researched or that at least has managed to "raise peoples awareness to outlying/alternative treatments for their condition"
Which Is why People come her in the first place:

the Medical Establishment has let them down or offers NO alternatives!.

The quote you ascribe to me is in fact by someone else.

Here is some discussion of the dangers of vitamin D poisoning by a pharmacist at a national poison centre -

http://www.prn2.usm.my/mainsite/bulletin/sun/1996/sun44.html

In particular I quote -

Effects of vitamin D overdose
By Razak Lajis

The prescription of high doses of vitamin D in the absence of a deficiency can result in hypercalcaemia - excessive calcium in blood. If this condition is prolonged, it may lead to heart and kidney damage. Symptoms of vitamin D toxicity include nausea, vomiting, anorexia, headache, weakness, apathy, polyuria and bone pain. As vitamin plays an important role in mineralisation and calcification of bones, the symptoms of excessive ingestion of vitamin D are the result of abnormalities in calcium metabolism. These are largely due to hypercalcaemia which cause calcification of soft tissue and produce renal impairment.

Clinically, most cases of hypervitaminosis D seen in adults are the result of large doses of the vitamin used for the treatment of conditions that are not associated with vitamin D deficiency. Daily ingestion in excess of 2,000IU in children or 75,000IU in adults may produce toxic symptoms related to hypervitaminosis D. For example, most cases of vitamin D toxicity have been reported to occur after the ingestion of greater than 50,000IU daily for several years.

There is wide individual variation in the amount of vitamin D that causes hypervitaminosis. The continued ingestion of 50,000IU or more daily by a person with normal vitamin D sensitivity may result in poisoning. Doses of 60,000IU per day can cause hypercalcaemia, with muscle weakness, Proteinuria, hypertension and irregular heartbeat. Symptoms and signs generally appear two to eight days after acute intoxication with massive doses of vitamin D.

Chronic hypercalcaemia can lead to generalised vascular calcification with high concentration of calcium salts in soft tissues, especially in the kidney. This will exacerbate rapid deterioration of kidney functions. Other sites of calcification may include blood vessels, heart, lungs and skin. The stored vitamin in the body will be released slowly as it has a long plasma half-life of three months. Therefore after discontinuation.

Another potentially toxic action of vitamin D is the effect on fat metabolism. There is some evidence that 700IU to 2,500IU daily in adults may raise the plasma cholesterol level.

Maternal ingestion of large doses of vitamin D may cause hypercalcaemia in nursing infants. Vitamin D toxicity may also manifest in the foetus. It may also result in suppression of parathyroid function in the newborn which will lead to hypocalcaemia, tetany and seizures. Excess maternal; vitamin D intake or extreme sensitivity to the vitamin has been shown to cause some congenital birth defects."

Still think that Ted's advice is perfectly sound and harmless?

I am very interested in alternative medicine. Like many here I have found conventional medicine lacking and have read up extensively on other ways to treat various ailments. However, just because something is available in your local health shop does NOT automatically mean that it is safe, especially taken in huge doses.

In my opinion Ted is offering medical advice, which is forbidden on this site, and vulnerable people are taking this advice seriously and possibly acting on it when it may be dangerous to their health.

Please do your own research and come to your own conclusions. Do not be influenced by someone who by his own admission has serious problems of his own.