PMS Vitamin D and Calcium

suzy_g

Night song who are you to report Ted ? he is entitle to write what he has read about the subject as well as you, but I do not see a reason to report Ted?

nightsong

suzy_g wrote:

Night song who are you to report Ted ? he is entitle to write what he has read about the subject as well as you, but I do not see a reason to report Ted?

I am entitled to report anything I consider to be offensive or dangerous, just as anyone else is.

He is proffering advice, worded very strongly, that I consider to be potentially dangerous to people's health. He is also advertising a particular product, which I believe is against MSE rules.

Since you ask.

suzy_g

How is it dangerous to peoples health? and advertising products this is all over the forums from stardrops to breadmakers the lists are endless. I think its you who is trying to nanny us, I think the people on this site can make up there owns minds Thankyou, as to what advise we wish to take .

Ted_Hutchinson

nightsong wrote:

Ted, I see you are peddling your pseudo-science again. I shall be reporting this post.

That's your perogative but do check your facts before you do so.

Read my posts in this thread carefully. Do I suggest in post #1 that people should "Supplement" with Calcium or do I suggest food sources?

In post #6 do I suggest Calcium supplements or food sources?

We already eat far too much calcium in relation to our magnesium intake, which is generally too low.

I agree and frequently suggest ways in which magnesium status can be improved in money saving ways.

Increasing dietry calcium in these circumstances can actually cause loss of calicum in the bones, leading to osteoporosis, the very condition that high calcium intake is supposed to prevent.

I would be pleased if you could provide links to the science behind this claim. Not pseudoscience but real peer reviewed reseach listed at pubmed

The Japanese traditionally have low levels of dietry calcium since they do not eat much dairy produce, yet they have strong bones.

Try looking up the latitude of Japan. Do people living below latitude 40 have more or less opportunity to get Vitamin d throughout the year from sunlight?

My motivation in posting here is simply to provide up to date, research based, information in order to enable moneysaving individuals to make sensible purchases both in the foods and supplements they buy.

For goodness sake look at source of Evening primrose oil for premenstrual syndrome How can any sensible person regard this as pseudo-science?

It is simply evidence based thinking about health care.

The evidence relating to the amounts of Vitamin D3 suggested in the links I provide is indisputable. For anyone living in the UK during the Winter worrying about D3 overdose is as dangerously misguided and as fundamentally stupid as worrying about drowning in the desert. Risk assessment for vitamin D -- Hathcock et al. 85 (1): 6 ... this is a review of all the supporting science.

Let us be quite clear today and every day over 40 UK people will die from Osteoporosis. It is deficiency of calcium and vitamin D that are major causal factors for Osteoporosis, anyone suggesting otherwise is simply demonstrating their ignorance of real science and the real research supporting the information I provide.

springchicken

Ted , I am trying to suggest a supplement to help people with PMS ,you posting your "findings " have probably put a lot off trying the suggested supplement.

I know some people on this board hold your advice in strong esteem.

Any subject can be contradicted using the internet.

All I can say is Im a woman who has had first hand experience with PMS ,have you ?

nightsong

Ted_Hutchinson wrote:

That's your perogative but do check your facts before you do so.

Read my posts in this thread carefully. Do I suggest in post #1 that people should "Supplement" with Calcium or do I suggest food sources?

You suggest that people should supplement with calcium. I quote from your post -

"Using food sources for the calcium see Havard calcium food sources table but as you would need 1500mg this will take more than a yoghurt +glass of milk + piece of cheese + sesame seeds so you may find it easier to simply take one of Zipvits 1500mg coral Calcium tablets"

If your thinking is this muddled I see no point in entering a debate with you. You don't even seem to be able to remember or understand what is in your own posts. Why anybody considers you a useful source of information baffles me.

Paul_Varjak

nightsong wrote:

Ted_Hutchinson wrote:

That's your perogative but do check your facts before you do so.

Read my posts in this thread carefully. Do I suggest in post #1 that people should "Supplement" with Calcium or do I suggest food sources?

You suggest that people should supplement with calcium. I quote from your post -

"Using food sources for the calcium see Havard calcium food sources table but as you would need 1500mg this will take more than a yoghurt +glass of milk + piece of cheese + sesame seeds so you may find it easier to simply take one of Zipvits 1500mg coral Calcium tablets"

If your thinking is this muddled I see no point in entering a debate with you. You don't even seem to be able to remember or understand what is in your own posts. Why anybody considers you a useful source of information baffles me.

Quite honestly, I don't think Ted has the reasoning capabilities of a backward 12 year-old child. Point out any glaring error in his posts and his response will usually be another rambling post followed by a few PMs that bear little relation to the disputed point.

Not only does he present pseudo-science but he frequently attempts to dress-up his ranting and ravings as pseudo money-saving too! But as long as he has a following on here that actually believes in the gobblegook he writes that will only continue to feed his own ego-manic personality.

Ted_Hutchinson

I am simply aware that most people don't take my advice to use food sources where possible to provide an effective alternative. I personally prefer the food sources route which is why I repeat with calcium: food sources link later in the thread. There is no point in having an idealistic idea of what advice people will follow, we know that 8 out of 10 of us are eating white bread rather than Wholemeal despite the obvious health benefits of the latter, similarly the consumption of fish averages one portion every three weeks, if this was raised considerably the mental health of the nation would improve considerably.

Why anybody considers you a useful source of information baffles me.

Probably because I am able to back up all my posts with references to proper science. The fact that you cannot recognise reputable science based information is evident from you posts. Similarly you haven't been able to support you claim
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Increasing dietry calcium in these circumstances can actually cause loss of calicum in the bones, leading to osteoporosis, the very condition that high calcium intake is supposed to prevent.
I would be pleased if you could provide links to the science behind this claim. Not pseudoscience but real peer reviewed research listed at pubmed.

Ted_Hutchinson

springchicken wrote:

Ted , I am trying to suggest a supplement to help people with PMS ,you posting your "findings " have probably put a lot off trying the suggested supplement

But can you find any published peer reviewed research to support your recommendation?

suzy_g

I suppose my doctor must practise pseudoscience as he has recommended I take calcium. but I have taken some advice I have seen here and started eating sardines. thanks ted, im also going to add more soy to my diet