PMS Vitamin D and Calcium

Ted_Hutchinson

suzy_g wrote:

im also going to add more soy to my diet

There is a suggestion, but no conclusive evidence, that isoflavones from the sources studied so far have a beneficial effect on bone health. The consumption of whole-soyabean foods and soyabean-protein isolates has some beneficial effects on lipid markers of cardiovascular risk. The consumption of isolated isoflavones does not affect blood lipid levels or blood pressure, although it may improve endothelial function. For menopausal symptoms there is currently limited evidence that soyabean-protein isolates, soyabean foods or red-clover (Trifolium pratense L.) extract are effective but soyabean isoflavone extracts may be effective in reducing hot flushes. There are too few RCT studies to reach conclusions on the effects of isoflavones on breast cancer, colon cancer, diabetes or cognitive function. The health benefits of soyabean phyto-oestrogens in healthy post-menopausal women are subtle and even some well-designed studies do not show protective effects. Future studies should focus on high-risk post-menopausal women, especially in the areas of diabetes, CVD, breast cancer and bone health.

specsappeal

i think i'll stick to evening primrose oil and Vit B12 as even if it is a placebo effect it certainly helps me alot

Horasio

The only cure is a full hysterectomy - having the lot out

I was a mega sufferer of PMS and tried everything, most of it did more harm than good.

springchicken

Ted_Hutchinson wrote:

But can you find any published peer reviewed research to support your recommendation?

Ted you can find a million and one sources out there in support of the treatment of PMS with EPO.
However instead of baffling people with medical quotations I would rather just recommend it for people to try from my own first hand experience

Paul_Varjak

springchicken wrote:

...instead of baffling people with medical quotations I would rather just recommend it for people to try from my own first hand experience

I think Ted is more baffled by his own medical quotes than most of the readers here!

Ted_Hutchinson

springchicken wrote:

Ted you can find a million and one sources out there in support of the treatment of PMS with EPO.

But not science based.

This site is not for giving personal medical advice.

Providing information gleaned from reputable peer reviewed journals and links to the sources of that information is one way of ensuring people get access to evidence based information on which to base their food and supplement choices, rather than simply relying on information which has been shown in several scientific studies to work as efficiently as any placebo. Can you not see that without science to back up anyone's claims anyone and everyone could put up non science based information that could lead the site into disrepute and possible litigation. This is why all the information I provide has links to it's sources so everyone reading it can make a judgement as to it's veracity.

I appreciate that some people find it difficult to follow my logic but I can't help that. I don't think it's helpful for people to suggest remedies, however sincerely from their own personal experience, if there is plenty of science based research showing that those remedies are only as good as any placebo.

I agree that it would be better if scientists tried to express their finding in language intelligible to the intelligent layperson. But a sentence like "There is no compelling evidence of any additional beneficial effect of EPO over that reported with placebo in any of the more methodologically rigorous studies" is I believe sufficiently clear as to support my case.

I still feel the information provided in the original link is within the grasp of most readers here. Try it again.
Dietary Calcium and Vitamin D May Help Prevent PMS
Have any of you actually watched the video here

The science underlying this suggestion comes from a good source
Department of Public Health, University of Massachusetts,
A high intake of calcium and vitamin D may reduce the risk of PMS and sufficiently clear as to not baffle the average MSE reader.

You can argue all you like, but facts are facts, and can only be refuted by newer or better research. No amount of name calling or childish insults will change that.

Paul_Varjak

Ted, it is your attitude to other posters that is your least enduring quality, and your seeming inability to engage in meaningful dialogue, not only on this forum but on others too. The longer you post on any particular forum the more outlandish (and less helpful) your posts become.

As an example have a look here: http://www.youreable.com/forums/profile.jspa?userID=5244

Ted_Hutchinson

Paul_Varjak wrote:

Ted, it is your attitude to other posters that is your least enduring quality, and your seeming inability to engage in meaningful dialogue, not only on this forum but on others too. The longer you post on any particular forum the more outlandish (and less helpful) your posts become

Well that is your opinion. I agree that I do not hide my contempt well, for those who simply do not accept the findings of scientific research.

I find it hard to understand disabled people who refuse to take any action to remedy their disability, particularly where the solutions to their pain and suffering are cheap, safe and easily available.

The thread you refer to is an example where I tried to put forward the results of an excellent paper, where the considerable evidence that vitamin D deficiency is one cause of Parkinson's disease is discussed. Drs. Newmark remark on a 1997 case report in which a patient with Parkinson's disease steadily improved when treated with 4,000 IU daily. All clinical interventional studies - in any disease - should use enough vitamin D to obtain and then maintain blood levels at levels obtained from natural summertime sun exposure (at least 50 ng/ml). For many people, the aged, African Americans, and the obese, this require 5,000 IU daily. If you know anyone with Parkinson's disease, suggest they start taking 5,000 IU a day. If they or their doctor are concerned about toxicity, have them read the literature.

Given the cost of such treatment is trivial roughly £8.50 a winter, absolutely safe you would think that folk would have wanted to more, rather than less.

Parkinson's cases expected to double worldwide by 2030

Paul_Varjak

Ted, the link in my post was not to a particuar thread, but to the most 10 recent postings you have made on that forum. In all there are ten posts listed - across three different threads and all are about Vitamin D!

The point I was trying to make (but which you entirely miss or choose to ignore) is that not only do you antagonise people on MSE but you do so on another forum as well - a forum you have been a member of since 2001.

When you exercise self control over your illness (which you have referred to more than once on this forum and is also alluded to by at least one poster on the youreable forum) you post some very useful information. (I have seen you nominated for post of the month by several people in the past). But, now you are doing your own reputation serious harm by continuing to post in your current manner. I suggest you need to seek advice for the problem you have at the moment before your own health deteriorates further.

Ted_Hutchinson

Paul_Varjak wrote:

Ted, the link in my post was not to a particuar thread, but to the most 10 recent postings you have made on that forum. In all there are ten posts listed - across three different threads and all are about Vitamin D!.

So what. Every claim in every post is based on the latest science.

The point I was trying to make (but which you entirely miss or choose to ignore) is that not only do you antagonise people on MSE but you do so on another forum as well - a forum you have been a member of since 2001.

The only people who are upset by my posts are those who do not want to accept, because their benefit status depends on them not knowing or understanding, the most recent research findings.

When you exercise self control over your illness (which you have referred to more than once on this forum and is also alluded to by at least one poster on the youreable forum) you post some very useful information. (I have seen you nominated for post of the month by several people in the past). But, now you are doing your own reputation serious harm by continuing to post in your current manner. I suggest you need to seek advice for the problem you have at the moment before your own health deteriorates further.

When I re-read my posts I find I speak more sense when I am drunk and manic than others so when sober. When you can find evidence from the latest research that disproves any of the information I have posted then and only then will I pay attention to your posts.