Good things about the recession

kennyboy66_2

carolt wrote: »

Arguably all of grunge/Madchester music was "recession born" - so my student days of Happy Daze type stuff - which was not half bad - probably counts.

I'm sure you could argue about anything, however "Madchester" was certainly not "recession born".
In fact you could argue the peak probably co-incided with that last housing boom peak in 1989.

You could argue that many bands formed in the mid 80's (Stone Roses, Happy Mondays) benefited from people being able to claim unemployment benefit without jumping through some of the hoops you do now.

I doubt we will see Carol & !!!!!! manning the barricades to bring this back.

The though of Carol liking these bands is amazing. I though her heart was "Made of Stone"

StevieJ

kennyboy66 wrote: »

Its a nice thought, however The Clash and Joy Division both started in 1976 - Ian Curtis was dead (May 80) before the 1980/81 recession really got into full swing.

12 months of Maggie was enough for anyone :eek:

carolt

Really2 wrote: »

Most of the biggest selling UK bands the beatles, stones, Oasis, Zeplin etc. Are not from recessions so it may be worth pointing out the chances are the point about music is fairly pants.

The thing is you get depressed listen to depressing stuff. That then becomes your reminder of that recession.

Only if you remember the recession badly. As I said, last recession was my student days. Still quite like the music.

Strangely enough, not everyone is miserable in a recession.

In fact, there are some good things about a recession.

Oooh good, back out of that loop to my original thread.

Any more good points about a recession? Anyone?

carolt

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I'm sure you could argue about anything, however "Madchester" was certainly not "recession born".
In fact you could argue the peak probably co-incided with that last housing boom peak in 1989.

You could argue that many bands formed in the mid 80's (Stone Roses, Happy Mondays) benefited from people being able to claim unemployment benefit without jumping through some of the hoops you do now.

I doubt we will see Carol & !!!!!! manning the barricades to bring this back.

The though of Carol liking these bands is amazing. I though her heart was "Made of Stone"

Wow - I'm human too. Like music and everything. Like you!

Masomnia

Well the interest on my student loan is now only 2.5%, so I've benefitted there. That'll mean nothing though if there are no jobs when I graduate.

I suppose you could argue that The Smiths were just getting going when the recession of the early 80s was ending. Oasis did start during a recession too, I think, in 1991. Suede too

StevieJ

Masomnia wrote: »

Well the interest on my student loan is now only 2.5%, so I've benefitted there. That'll mean nothing though if there are no jobs when I graduate.

I suppose you could argue that The Smiths were just getting going when the recession of the early 80s was ending. Oasis did start during a recession too, I think, in 1991. Suede too

Heaven knows I am miserable now:D Yes the Smiths good shout!

kwikbreaks

carolt wrote: »

Any more good points about a recession? Anyone?

Yes - it gives us all something to whinge about instead of knuckling down to boring work

kennyboy66_2

Masomnia wrote: »

I suppose you could argue that The Smiths were just getting going when the recession of the early 80s was ending. Oasis did start during a recession too, I think, in 1991. Suede too

I'd agree with those timings.
The point is that the argument about recessions having a causal relationship with "good music" is just rubbish. It like people saying Brazil is good at football because of the lack of facilities.

Besides, I would say that "punk music" started in New York (Ramones, Pattie Smith, Talking Heads) & "punk culture" started in London (Mclaren, Sex Pistols, Westwood, Siouxsie etc).

Finding a starting point is pretty difficult.

Masomnia

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I'd agree with those timings.
The point is that the argument about recessions having a causal relationship with "good music" is just rubbish. It like people saying Brazil is good at football because of the lack of facilities.

Besides, I would say that "punk music" started in New York (Ramones, Pattie Smith, Talking Heads) & "punk culture" started in London (Mclaren, Sex Pistols, Westwood, Siouxsie etc).

Finding a starting point is pretty difficult.

Oh definitely, correlation not implying causation and all that, still fun to think about though.

Interesting points on punk music/culture, definitely agree on Ramones kicking it all off. I'd say that was more a reaction to the starched shirts of the 50s than anything economic.

StevieJ

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I'd agree with those timings.
The point is that the argument about recessions having a causal relationship with "good music" is just rubbish. It like people saying Brazil is good at football because of the lack of facilities.

Besides, I would say that "punk music" started in New York (Ramones, Pattie Smith, Talking Heads) & "punk culture" started in London (Mclaren, Sex Pistols, Westwood, Siouxsie etc).

Finding a starting point is pretty difficult.

Or before with The Velvet Underground and Iggy Pop, I think the advertising for CBGB's coined the phrase Punk rock.