ITV. Fri 9 Jan, 8-8.30. PART 2 NOW Living Without Money

geordie_joe

ecoelle wrote: »

ok, quick question. One of his rules was no stealing...'liberating' food and clothing from M&S's bins is theft so he broke his own rules...shame on him!

Actually it may not be theft.

THEFT ACT 1968
1.
Basic definition of theft
(1)
A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to
another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and ‘theft’ and ‘steal’ shall be construed accordingly.
(2)
It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made
for the thief’s own benefit.
(3)
The five following sections of this Act shall have effect as regards the
interpretation and operation of this section (and, except as otherwise provided by this Act,
shall apply only for purposes of this section).

‘Dishonestly’
(1)
A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as
dishonest-
(a)
if he appropriates the property in the belief that he has in law the right to
deprive the other of it, on behalf of himself or of a third person; or
(b)
if he appropriates the property in the belief that he would have the other’s
consent if the other knew of the appropriation and the circumstances of it; or
(c)
(except where the property came to him as trustee or personal representa-
tive) if he appropriates the property in the belief that the person to whom the
property belongs cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps

The items were in a rubbish bin along with other items of rubbish, so how do you permanently deprive someone of something when they have permanently deprived them selves of it by throwing it into the bin?

And there's always (3)(1)(b)

Might have been theft if the clothes were in a container on there own, and M&S intended to sell them, not throw them away.

opaque

You might be commiting an act of trespass when going to the bins as well. Depends on where the bins are etc.

bo_drinker

Part 2 of this is on tonight at 8 pm don't forget.

PasturesNew

Part 2 about to start

PasturesNew

One week without cash and he survived.

Now - will he thrive. In the second week he's now living in a right posh house - and hasn't spent a single penny.

(obviously he's well connected and a whole team spent months getting all the info/resources together for this)

PasturesNew

Teacher Kath Kelly, lived on £1/day for a whole year. They met at the Botanical Gardens, free entry.

He asked her how she did it:
- free internet on the library to look for lots of entertainment
- free lunches where there were lectures with a buffet
- read signs as you go along the shops, free haircuts etc

Her free life was much more exciting. She was still working as a teacher but also doing the other stuff to get by.

She gave him lunch: Home-made soup that cost 30p, crisps at 17p and bread from a 10p loaf. She took him to an art gallery, free.

1echidna

Been watching a bit - sounds like the depression in Australia where swagmen wandered the country living off the land and what the odd job from a householder could give them - or at least that is my romantic view. I do know someone though who lived rough for six months and has some hankering to return to the life it gave him.

PasturesNew

Online the presenter found the LETS system, organised bartering. People exchange goods and services without the need for money.

He signed up with the Bath LETS. He cycled there on the free bike he got last week.

Elizabeth Griffin, LETS

What can he offer?
- walk dogs
- write things/good with words
- good with people

In Bath everything is traded at 25 Oliver's per hour (that's the LETS currency).

He would decorate her spare bedroom in exchange for a bed, food and some of her husband's old clothes.

He mentioned the man who traded up from a paper clip to a whole house.

Presenter is enjoying it. (Having said that it's not a lifestyle he's got to do for 50 years).

He's got a leaflet about a free poetry evening - and goes. He reads a poem he wrote:

I am living for free
No pounds and no p
I am doing it to see
What the outcome might be
Having no money
Aint very funny
But the depths to which you sink
Aren't as bad as you'd think
So buy me a drink.

Couple of city workers, who moved to LA, they ended up broke and started doing clothes swapping parties. Shirley and Holly Hanez (?sp)
They were getting Chanel, Tom Ford, Vivian Westwood, Benetton, Her outfit is about £15 today.

He went to the library then to find somewhere to live. He remembered people offer themselves to farmers to get accommodation in exchange for work. He arranged for a lift.

He's at the farm making cheese.

ffacoffipawb

PasturesNew wrote: »

In the second week he's now living in a right posh house - and hasn't spent a single penny.

Maybe the doctor should prescribe a diuretic then?

PasturesNew

He's not really liking it, he's not a country person, but as he said "there's worse places to be".

Now he's being fed a big hot meal for his work.

Had to get up at 6am the next morning, feeding the cows.

Neil Boorman - ex fashion journalist was addicted to spending, £000s per year on designer names.

He spent £400 from his first pay check on a bag. He saw some Prada boots in a magazine and rang every shop in England to find they'd all sold out, so he flew to New York just to get them.

He burned every piece of designer gear he had.

Scheme called Timebank, people give away stuff for nothing to people who do stuff for others. He volunteered to help Marjory, a pensioner. he went to do her cupboards, to clean them out and sort them out.

He got a mug of tea and some cake from Marjory. He got a free cinema ticket for doing that (from Timebank).

He got in touch with LETS again - somebody needs their dogs walking. She lives in a huuuge house, he said "it's like a stately home". She runs a guesthouse. He asked if he could stay there, she said yes, we charge 75 LETS currency points to stay, so that's three hours' dog walking. And he walks her two dogs.

I shouldn't think she'd be too pleased if we all turn up though ...

It's the end of the experiment.

Karen Barnard-Weston, LETS.