What happens to state benefit in a recession

gemmalouanna

PasturesNew wrote: »

I'd actually explore a flat-rate tax system, where everybody's "paid" a basic amount to exist on, then you work and pay flat rate tax on everything but there's no clawing back, no top ups. It's far too complex now, with people paying back X, but claiming Y, earning S, but having T clawed back, filling in big forms for L/M/N and ending up being awarded M, but losing some of their Y for it.

Agree with your common sense approach! What I cannot understand is why a person's benefits can exceed the amount for 40 hours at minimum wage - as minimum wage is what the government considers people can live on so surely this is what should be suitable.

If people need extra things for care etc then these should be provided in reality not as cash - wonder how quickly the undeserving DLA claimants receiving the care component would be happy with actually receiving the 'care' as a person coming round to help them rather than cash!

PasturesNew

mvengemvenge wrote: »

Seriously, though, as many girls in this position are not terribly well educated (in my experience), I think they know they're never likely to earn much anyway.

With the price of many rents + council tax -v- minimum wage takehome, there's often no contest.

If housing was much cheaper working would make sense.

SingleSue

gemmalouanna wrote: »

If people need extra things for care etc then these should be provided in reality not as cash - wonder how quickly the undeserving DLA claimants receiving the care component would be happy with actually receiving the 'care' as a person coming round to help them rather than cash!

I would really really love that....it would mean I could go back to work in my normal sector on a decent salary as the problem of childcare for a disabled child would be removed.

gemmalouanna

SingleSue wrote: »

I would really really love that....it would mean I could go back to work in my normal sector on a decent salary as the problem of childcare for a disabled child would be removed.

Exactly my point - someone with a genuinely disabled child such as yourself would want the help - but those claiming to need this 'help' falsely would find it annoying as they are just after the money.

treliac

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

The trouble I have with this idea is that bringing up a child or children is bloody hard work, not an easy route to loadsa money, surely?

It is if you want to make a reasonable job of it but, we can be of no doubt, not everyone is thus motivated. In fact, there's another suspicious toddler death, reported to have happened in London this week.

The_White_Horse

woodbine wrote: »

And facist like you only serve to prove that care in the community really doesn`t work !!!!!

There is no community. Just people who work and pay tax, and those that feed off us like parasites.

There are a few genuine cases, and I support them. But the people with bad backs and depression can start working. You don't have to be happy to work.

Cleaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

But the people with bad backs and depression can start working. You don't have to be happy to work.

Is it just me are do people with 'horse' in their username seem to make the most funny, mentalist posts?

Where has that Horse Hat Man blokey gone anyway?

neverdespairgirl

SingleSue wrote: »

Thanks guys

I think Islandannie realised that she had gone too far and has since apologised via a private message.

Wow - insult in public, grovel in private. Better than nothing, but not exactly whole-hearted.

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neverdespairgirl wrote: »

The trouble I have with this idea is that bringing up a child or children is bloody hard work, not an easy route to loadsa money, surely?

But NDG, you are obviously a responsible parent, as am I, and I agree it is hard work. The 'milk the system' brigade pretty much let their children bring themselves up, and so little effort is required.

irish_eyes

Just a thought. How many contributers to this thread receive child benefit or working tax credits?