Crunch raises state school demand

before_hollywood

poet123 wrote: »

My point was that you were deriding the "posh" kid for not going private when you thought that they had enough money to do so. Some people have money but choose state education,some have money but choose private education. I am not sure money,or the fact that the child had a parent who was a Governor is necessarily relevant. Some kids seemn to get away with murder(not literally) and others get caught for minor infringements. I think maybe you have seen a situation in a particular way and are now set in that perception,which may, or may not be, how it actually was.

there were a lot of people who saw the situation the same way at the time and it was a little bit of a coincidence that despite witnesses and other victims of his bullying he never had action taken against him. anyway i'm not going to talk about it any more, it was a long time ago and my opinions are my opinions, the flaws in the school i went to are still there now, same lunatic in charge apparently.

i guess we will have to agree to disagree, i'm off to bed i have xmas shopping to finish tomorrow, then going out to celebrate with my friend, she passed her driving test yesterday, i'm very proud of her, she is like family

before_hollywood

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Nothing, as they ceased to exist quite some time before I was born, I think!

they never went away, they just changed names, the dump i went to is apparently a languages college now half the kids got by with just grunts :rotfl:

its still the same dump, it'll take more than a name change to sort its problems out

mumps

Spendless wrote: »

Do you mean you home educated her till year 4?

Well that is what we were supposed to be doing, apparently the local education department could have inspected us but they never did. The thing with home schooling is you decide what it is and if inspected you justify it. Once in a while we did some work with her, probably half an hour every three or four weeks, so I don't think it fits with what most people call home education, at least people I have met as they seem to think it involves running a school for one in your front room. Hope that makes sense, its sort of hard to explain.

mumps

michaels wrote: »

I find the whole private education issue very difficult - those who say their children have achieved the same grades in the state sector are missing the point. Rather like the institutionalised racism in this country it is the accent, contacts and life outlook that the public school provides that a state school never can.

You don't just get accent, contacts and life outlook from school, state or public. That is part of the beauty of not handing children over to schools at four or five.

natalie1974

Spendless wrote: »

Will you be able to afford to privately educate all 3 children?

Yes . Even if I stayed at home I could but it was MY choice to send my eldest private , I was a single mum until she was 4 so OH has just gone along with the flow so therefore I feel it only fair I get off my backside and work to pay for it .

olly300

michaels wrote: »

And funnily enough it didn't seem to do us any harm - possibly cos the headmaster was able to dispense the slipper if need be or suspend / expel if required which gave the teachers authority and negated the whole 'crowd control' problem that seems to be the big issue these days.

Actually it's go nothing to do with the fact your headmaster could use the slipper it's the fact that he was allowed to use his common sense without politically correct bleating from the parents, teaching unions, governors and LEA.

Physical punishment wasn't allowed when I went to school.

What worked was having an old style head teachers who put the fear of God into you if you messed up and took no nonsense from parents. Being backed up by the parents and governors helped a lot.

Unfortunately one of the heads I had wanted to deal with truants by making them redo the lessons they missed which including putting them back a year if they missed a lot of school. While she had support from lots of people the teaching unions started bleating about disadvantage children suffering. :rolleyes:

michaels wrote: »

Just to add that I would never send my kids private as I think it makes people think they are better than everyone else who didn't go private which I find obnoxious - easy for me to say though as I have chosen to live somewhere with very good state schools and pay the property price premium for doing so.

I've already met two kids who think this as I'm related to them.

I have enjoyed myself taking them down a peg or too by explaining that even though they live in a big house the reason they are sent to private school is because the area they live in is not very good. There as relations who live in smaller houses tend to live in areas with very good state schools.

michaels

mumps wrote: »

Well that is what we were supposed to be doing, apparently the local education department could have inspected us but they never did. The thing with home schooling is you decide what it is and if inspected you justify it. Once in a while we did some work with her, probably half an hour every three or four weeks, so I don't think it fits with what most people call home education, at least people I have met as they seem to think it involves running a school for one in your front room. Hope that makes sense, its sort of hard to explain.

Best performing education system in Europe is in Finland - where the school starting age is the highest...any correlation?

shirlgirl2004

olly300 wrote: »

Some private schools maintain their status by kicking pupils out if they don't get high enough grades. They give you a maximum of 2 warnings before they do it.

And the selective comprehensives myself and some of my relations have been to give you s*** if you are in the top sets and don't perform. They can't kick you out but can make your life hell as bright children normally have supportive parents.

And your bog standard comp kicks you out too once you're doing A levels!

shirlgirl2004

lady_lucan wrote: »

Yes, obviously, but what I am asking is for evidence to back up your statement that private school students work harder.

In my experience working across a number of private and state secondary schools, the one thing that is superior in private is their ability to 'play' the coursework system.Much of the onerous work in this regard is carried out by classroom teachers, not students. It is not uncommon for a piece of GCSE coursework to be 're-marked' 8-10 times before it is submitted. In state schools there is simply not the staff/student ratio to do this.

That is totally not true. At my sons' school teachers marked the work again and again and again even telling the students what they needed to put in!

shirlgirl2004

before_hollywood wrote: »

never mixing with 'ordinary' kids?
parents that wont let them have state educated friends?
stuck up idiots as parents that look down on everyone else?

yes, i was state educated, and i cant say i enjoyed that much either, i had 2 years of being battered by someone who would have been privately educated had his parents stuck their hands in their pockets (they lived on one of the poshest streets in the town and had brand new large cars- no shortage of money), and i was nearly expelled when one day i had enough and punched him in the face because the school didnt punish kids of governers

Really? My DD mixes with plenty of state educated children and a couple of the children she goes to school with live in ex-council houses so not big posh houses!