Anybody see where recovery is going to come from?

pickles110564

nickmason wrote: »

Genius. So if something is growing faster than something else, it will eventually dwarf the other, however much of a headstart the slower growing one has.

Unless you happen to be one of Zeno's tortoises, of course :rotfl:

Edit: the point of Zeno's paradox, and the spanner in the works of the above maths, is time - the use of "eventually" is pretty useful in theory, but in practice might take so long that before the "resemblance" does occur, we see the "black swan" event which could disturb the growth trajectories. Like Lembit Opik's asteroid.

It when I try to read things like this I wish I had tried harder at school.

pickles110564

Also as I sit here enjoying my cheatnuts, how can Toscos class some as finest? Surely they come off the same trees?

bo_drinker

pickles110564 wrote: »

Also as I sit here enjoying my cheatnuts, how can Toscos class some as finest? Surely they come off the same trees?

Tesco Finest is as is Value a big con. Finest is run of the mill and value is not always as it says.

space_rider

I`d holiday abroad but it`s the weather that spoils things. We went to cornwall several years ago in June and it rained the whole time. After that we went abroad. I do go for short breaks in the lakes and center parcs. Also ventured to Scotland when flights were cheap and that was nice too.

nickmason

pickles110564 wrote: »

It when I try to read things like this I wish I had tried harder at school.

Apologies - the bit about Zeno was pompous and unnecessary. Not to mention heinously off-topic. (So I've now just repeated the error. Apologies again )

For anyone of an odd disposition who wants to escape it all, there is an exceptional book called "Godel, Escher, Bach" which will completely fry everyone's brain - tying together Godel's uncertainty theory with Escher's art and Bach's music, leading to philosophical takes on artificial intelligence, and which is littered with enough self-referential jokes to make Salman Rushdie blush - but is a fabulous way to do it.
It is a work of absolute genius.
(As well as an excellent Christmas present for supposed know-it-alls.):o

Within it is the story of Zeno's paradox:
In the paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise, Achilles is in a footrace with the tortoise. Achilles allows the tortoise a head start of 100 feet. If we suppose that each racer starts running at some constant speed (one very fast and one very slow), then after some finite time, Achilles will have run 100 feet, bringing him to the tortoise's starting point. During this time, the tortoise has run a much shorter distance, for example 10 feet. It will then take Achilles some further time to run that distance, in which time the tortoise will have advanced farther; and then more time still to reach this third point, while the tortoise moves ahead. Thus, whenever Achilles reaches somewhere the tortoise has been, he still has farther to go. Therefore, because there are an infinite number of points Achilles must reach where the tortoise has already been--he can never overtake the tortoise.
(From wikipedia)

nickmason

Back to the real world, the crazy formulae are simply stating that if one population group grows faster than another, then eventually the whole group will look more like the faster growing one (however small the faster growing one is, initially). Which is pretty simple really.

I suppose it has some relevance for those who get angry with "dole-bludgers" having an excessive number of children. Not sure that anything is ever that simple, though.

Masomnia

nickmason wrote: »

Within it is the story of Zeno's paradox:
In the paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise, Achilles is in a footrace with the tortoise. Achilles allows the tortoise a head start of 100 feet. If we suppose that each racer starts running at some constant speed (one very fast and one very slow), then after some finite time, Achilles will have run 100 feet, bringing him to the tortoise's starting point. During this time, the tortoise has run a much shorter distance, for example 10 feet. It will then take Achilles some further time to run that distance, in which time the tortoise will have advanced farther; and then more time still to reach this third point, while the tortoise moves ahead. Thus, whenever Achilles reaches somewhere the tortoise has been, he still has farther to go. Therefore, because there are an infinite number of points Achilles must reach where the tortoise has already been--he can never overtake the tortoise.
(From wikipedia)

Cripes. Thanks for that Nick :eek:

ad9898_3

nickmason wrote: »

Within it is the story of Zeno's paradox:
In the paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise, Achilles is in a footrace with the tortoise. Achilles allows the tortoise a head start of 100 feet. If we suppose that each racer starts running at some constant speed (one very fast and one very slow), then after some finite time, Achilles will have run 100 feet, bringing him to the tortoise's starting point. During this time, the tortoise has run a much shorter distance, for example 10 feet. It will then take Achilles some further time to run that distance, in which time the tortoise will have advanced farther; and then more time still to reach this third point, while the tortoise moves ahead. Thus, whenever Achilles reaches somewhere the tortoise has been, he still has farther to go. Therefore, because there are an infinite number of points Achilles must reach where the tortoise has already been--he can never overtake the tortoise.
(From wikipedia)

I love the theory surrounding these paradoxes, am I sad ?, probably a little, other interesting ones are the Grandfather Paradox and Schrodinger's Cat.

How far off topic are we ?............ the answer, very.:D

nickmason

ad9898 wrote: »

How far off topic are we ?............ the answer, very.:D

I know. But it was easier than working out where the recovery was going to come from!

rozeepozee

Davesnave wrote: »

Richard Heinberg's web site:

http://www.richardheinberg.com/

Plenty of video available too:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ajqgOCxGEAo

I decided some time ago there was little I could do, other than make partial self sufficiency a reality, so that's what my house move has been all about.

Unfortunately, as ad says above, if you mention any of this stuff to relatives or friends, at best, you'll be politely ignored.

Mine smile politely, so I'm doing well it seems