Council Jobs to Go -10% Staff Saving Needed

beingjdc

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

In order to become a solicitor, you normally need either a law degree + the LPC (one year course) OR any degree, plus the one year conversion course plus the LPC. You aren't then a solicitor, though, you have another 2 years to go on the training contract. So 6 or 7 years higher education.

Yep - she's on £38k as a trainee. Christ knows what she'll be getting when she's actually a real life solicitor.

dopester

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I love the way Dopestar cites 3 million extra public sector jobs, which people then quote as if its a fact.

3 million my arrse.

I put it forward as a question. One newspaper article I recall from 2005 stated the public sector workforce had grown from 37% when Conservatives were last in power, to Labour taking over in 1997 and the public sector growing to 48%.

dopester wrote: »

How many more people working in the public sector since Labour took control in 1997? Isn't it 3 million?

Update 1: Just reading one of Macaque's links from previous page, the Spectator had it as close to 1 million extra jobs in the public sector since 1997, so admittedly my estimate was probably wrong. Although since 1997 some of the existing and new public sector jobs have seen whacking pay-rises for manager type / regional executive type grades.

Paying for Tony's fat cats

The Spectator
March 5, 2005

With almost a million new jobs added to the public sector payroll since 1997, Martin Vander Wayer asks if it is now democratically possible to reduce state spending

Generali

dopester wrote: »

I put it forward as a question. One newspaper article I recall from 2005 stated the public sector workforce had grown from 37% when Conservatives were last in power, to Labour taking over in 1997 and the public sector growing to 48%.

According to the IFS, the numbers working in the public sector rose by 700,000 between 1997 and 2006 (link) and public sector pay rose from 11.5% to 12.4% of national income. Between 1990 and 1997 they fell by 815,000.

IIRC, net job creation has been approximately nil in the private sector since 1997.

Old_Slaphead

Generali wrote: »

According to the IFS, the numbers working in the public sector rose by 700,000 between 1997 and 2006 (link) and public sector pay rose from 11.5% to 12.4% of national income. Between 1990 and 1997 they fell by 815,000.

IIRC, net job creation has been approximately nil in the private sector since 1997.

Due to the proliferation of computers I would suggest that jobs in office based private sector work (ok, I know that many of jobs in public sector are not office based) have fallen by 60-70% in that time.

Most of job creation in public sector seems to be in bureaucratic quangos or outsourced consultants. (ie in my LA they've been doing jod evaluations, apeals etc for the last 3 or 4 years)

Generali

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Due to the proliferation of computers I would suggest that jobs in office based private sector work (ok, I know that many of jobs in public sector are not office based) have fallen by 60-70% in that time.

Most of job creation in public sector seems to be in bureaucratic quangos or outsourced consultants. (ie in my LA they've been doing jod evaluations, apeals etc for the last 3 or 4 years)

Unfortunately with the figures structured in the way that they are it's not possible to say what proportion of the extra staff taken on are the 'good sort' (teachers, doctors, nurses etc) and how many are the 'bad sort' (bureaucrats (boo), consultants (hiss), health and safety officials (boohiss)).

Apparently the MoD employs more bureaucrats than people in uniform. Presumably they are checking the racial/sexual preference profile of people shot by the British Army to ensure there isn't an unconscious bias. I should imagine that they are concerned that too many muslims are being killed and so are looking to start a war with a predominantly Christian or Jewish country next time around.

kennyboy66_2

As an example in the year to March 2004 public sector employment increased by 132k

This was made up as follows;

Health 68k
Education 44k
Other 20k

neverdespairgirl

beingjdc wrote: »

Yep - she's on £38k as a trainee. Christ knows what she'll be getting when she's actually a real life solicitor.

She must be at one of the very few big City firms.

They get their pound of flesh - bet she hardly ever actually leaves her office.

adr0ck

PasturesNew wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/7780260.stm

Nice, secure jobs.

this is hardly surprising

denbighshire has been poorly run for years



Denbighshire Council still not up to scratch says report

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2008/11/25/denbighshire-council-still-not-up-to-scratch-says-report-55578-22329980/

The chief executive of Denbighshire County Council is to step down
The failures he has presided over such as the damning Estyn report into education management by the authority, the Local Development Planning process and the closure of Hyfrydle has left an image of poor governance
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2008/11/04/denbighshire-council-chief-executive-resigns-55578-22175779/


A WHOLE generation of children have had their education “ruined” by a council’s poor management
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2007/09/22/ruined-the-education-of-a-whole-generation-in-denbighshire-55578-19828219/

Davesnave

Unfortunately with the figures structured in the way that they are it's not possible to say what proportion of the extra staff taken on are the 'good sort' (teachers, doctors, nurses etc) and how many are the 'bad sort' (bureaucrats (boo), consultants (hiss), health and safety officials (boohiss)).

While we obviously need some of the 'bad' kind, my original objection to some of the postings was that people don't always discriminate between those who get their hands dirty and those who push paper. The latter implement or initiate apparently endless changes, giving those at the sharp end more to do.
While they exist, the bureaucrats have to be seen to be doing something, so the need for tinkering and change for change's sake is more or less built into the system. It doesn't help that goverments have to keep policies eternally under review as well. Giving the impression of 'doing things' and media soundbites per week are what counts, apparently.

Generali

Davesnave wrote: »

Giving the impression of 'doing things' and media soundbites per week are what counts, apparently.

Every office in Whitehall should have written above the door, "Don't just do something, stand there!"