Council Jobs to Go -10% Staff Saving Needed

treliac

dopester wrote: »

Yes. Some of us think old people have a duty to die. Well not all old people, especailly if they are financially independent, but those who are well-past it (mentally) and costing us a fortune for nursing care, when in any other age, they'd not have the same cushy expensive drain on the NHS for treatments, and nursing or residential care laid on by the state + pensions with it.

Callous dopester. When have you planned your own demise for then? Sorry, I guess it depends on how wealthy you get.

Perhaps we had better stop putting money into medical research. After all, it can't really matter how old someone is if they cost the rest of us money.

But do you think you can persuade the masses to suicide at, say 70 years - give or take a couple here or there - or should we build compulsory use conveyor belts leading into and through the crematoriums?

It might not matter too much in the future anyway. With a large proportion of today's youth going into self-destruct mode on drink, drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, they'll save us the bother of their old age. :rolleyes:

mower5

Quote from Bucks Free Press Dec 10th (sorry, new to posting so no idea how to link)

"A COUNCIL'S customer services centre has been constantly hit this year by high levels of sick leave among workers.
At least ten per cent of all staff at the Wycombe District Council department have been off at any one time during the year up until September, a report to councillors illustrates.
In June, the sick leave in the centre, based at the council offices in Queen Victoria Road, peaked at 16 per cent. At the same time, nine per cent of the staff were on leave - meaning one quarter of all workers were absent.
The centre has around 27 full time equivalent posts and handles between 18,000 to 22,000 inquiries per month from the public, including benefit and council tax calls.
The staff there are understood to work in one of the most stressful and pressurised parts of the council.
The report, in an information sheet to councillors, outlined ways of managing sickness absence.
The sheet explained that although individual advisor productivity had increased, the benefit of this had been lost due to reduced staff availability and, in particular, to very high sickness levels. "

username2003

I find it funny how macaque's response to the huge holes in the rubbish he spouts being pointed out is to provide further useless cherry picking and opinionated claptrap without any analysis, understanding or context.

beingjdc

mower5 wrote: »

The staff there are understood to work in one of the most stressful and pressurised parts of the council.
The report, in an information sheet to councillors, outlined ways of managing sickness absence.
The sheet explained that although individual advisor productivity had increased, the benefit of this had been lost due to reduced staff availability and, in particular, to very high sickness levels. "

Shocker - if you try and force people to do more work than they are physically capable of, they get stressed and unwell. Who could have known that? Oh, wait, the Victorian factory reformers who discovered that you actually got more out of a piece-worker in a 48 hour week than a 60-hour week, because they weren't permanently exhausted.

MrsE_2

mower5 wrote: »

Quote from Bucks Free Press Dec 10th (sorry, new to posting so no idea how to link)

"A COUNCIL'S customer services centre has been constantly hit this year by high levels of sick leave among workers.
At least ten per cent of all staff at the Wycombe District Council department have been off at any one time during the year up until September, a report to councillors illustrates.
In June, the sick leave in the centre, based at the council offices in Queen Victoria Road, peaked at 16 per cent. At the same time, nine per cent of the staff were on leave - meaning one quarter of all workers were absent.
The centre has around 27 full time equivalent posts and handles between 18,000 to 22,000 inquiries per month from the public, including benefit and council tax calls.
The staff there are understood to work in one of the most stressful and pressurised parts of the council.
The report, in an information sheet to councillors, outlined ways of managing sickness absence.
The sheet explained that although individual advisor productivity had increased, the benefit of this had been lost due to reduced staff availability and, in particular, to very high sickness levels. "

My sick days in the past year have been two.

When I wrote my car off I took that day & the next off (I was pulled from the wreckage & an ambulance called, so wasn't malingering).

Luckily I was on AL from then for a week, so I was back at work on 27th Dec.

Not all public sector have loads of sickies, this is another myth, with the high pay.

username2003

Macaque

I am trying to be nice, You have made the assertions below as fact. Please back up these statements with examples, statistics and sources. Can those examples not be cherry picked but part of a systematic approach to considering the public sector. ie accusing busy bodies of prying into peoples private lives and then damning others for not saving P is clearly foolish - do not do this.

Can your 'facts' please directly refer to local gvmt income as from grants, central gvmt and council tax.

Please dont not just ignore much of what people say and make different arguments to those posts you decide to reply to. Try to stay on point.

I would like to thank you for your time in advance....

1.The quality of services provided by the public sector has declined alarmingly in recent years but their costs have rocketed.

2.Many council budgets are crippled by extravagant pensions paid to ex council employees.

3.Public service workers are now the highest paid group in the country after city workers.

4.Light weight managers in local councils are now helping themselves to huge 6 figure salaries.

5.... sick of the lazy, over paid busy bodies who have infested local and central government in recent years.

6.Sadly education is one of the public services to have suffered. The amount that the local councils skim off the education budget is also deeply worrying.

7.The reality is that retired full time public sector employees are the fat cats of the pension world and are almost bancrupting some local councils.

8.How can a director of child services be worth £150K. Its ridiculous. In the private sector a person in that sort role would be paid £35k. They just have their snouts in the trough.

kennyboy66_2

I love the way Dopestar cites 3 million extra public sector jobs, which people then quote as if its a fact.

3 million my arrse.

treliac

MrsE wrote: »

Luckily I was on AL from then for a week, so I was back at work on 27th Dec.

Ssshhh. Do you think it's wise to let them know you take holiday at Christmas?

macaque_2

username2003 wrote: »

Macaque

I am trying to be nice, You have made the assertions below as fact. Please back up these statements with examples, statistics and sources. Can those examples not be cherry picked but part of a systematic approach to considering the public sector. ie accusing busy bodies of prying into peoples private lives and then damning others for not saving P is clearly foolish - do not do this.

Can your 'facts' please directly refer to local gvmt income as from grants, central gvmt and council tax.

Please dont not just ignore much of what people say and make different arguments to those posts you decide to reply to. Try to stay on point.

I would like to thank you for your time in advance....

1.The quality of services provided by the public sector has declined alarmingly in recent years but their costs have rocketed.

2.Many council budgets are crippled by extravagant pensions paid to ex council employees.

3.Public service workers are now the highest paid group in the country after city workers.

4.Light weight managers in local councils are now helping themselves to huge 6 figure salaries.

5.... sick of the lazy, over paid busy bodies who have infested local and central government in recent years.

6.Sadly education is one of the public services to have suffered. The amount that the local councils skim off the education budget is also deeply worrying.

7.The reality is that retired full time public sector employees are the fat cats of the pension world and are almost bancrupting some local councils.

8.How can a director of child services be worth £150K. Its ridiculous. In the private sector a person in that sort role would be paid £35k. They just have their snouts in the trough.

With the best will in the world, I am not going to spend my evening retrieving all these links. If you are keen you can find them on the BBC, Guardian, Times and Telegraph websites but here are a few tasters to be getting on with.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2848044.ece

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-95569332.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-171128613.html

http://www.highbeam.com/Search.aspx?q=inefficient+public+services

neverdespairgirl

beingjdc wrote: »

that role was available with a good undergraduate degree and a year's legal course (though my friend does, as it happens, have a masters in an unrelated discipline).

In order to become a solicitor, you normally need either a law degree + the LPC (one year course) OR any degree, plus the one year conversion course plus the LPC. You aren't then a solicitor, though, you have another 2 years to go on the training contract. So 6 or 7 years higher education.