Who do i complain to?

breezerockz

:eek: my horse live in field at front of my house, she lives out, our neighbours are quarter of a large stubble field away, they also have horses,
i know every year that they have fireworks, a big display, with the ones that go bang so loud i reckon the otherside of the coutry could hear them,
this year, i guessed that they would have a display, but i never heard from them/ not even note through door etc, so when i heard fireworks the saturday evening ( day after halloween) i went out to see where they were, and it was the neighbours, my horse was running up and down with fright, normally , when i know i stand with her when the fireworks start then shes ok, im not against fireworks, or these people having a major display, with very big loud fireworks, my problem is that they didnt tell me, and it was before bonfire night( although if i had known it doesnt matter when they had it) i know that they have had rows with shooters, because they scared the horses, but thought it was ok to not inform me, anyway, ive gone on enough,
i just want to know , when you have a BIG display like this, knowing that theres a horse in field very nearby, and dont tell the owner, what can i do??
i think they should be told off, and i dont want to do it as im not into that.
any ideas?
thanks for reading this, sorry if not clear.
helen

UKTigerlily

As far as I know they have no legal requirement to tell you but i'll check as i'm not 100%. Do they normally tell you? Maybe they forgot this year? I think morally they should have told you but legally they don't have to & without asking them you don't know if they simply forgot to mention it. As long as it's on their own land & not going on after 11pm they are legal. Example is, nobody tells households when they're doing fireworks & hundreds have animals such as dogs & cats that are petrified of fireworks. At that time of year most pet owners expect fireworks.

I'm assuming it was once it got dark that they started? I used to work with horses & we'd have ours in anyway overnight in the winter/once it got dark early & cold. In November with fireworks they'd have been in anyway well before most people set them off.

mrcol1000

Its a common misconception that your allowed to make loud noises until 11pm.
If a noise is causing you a nusiance your local council has a duty to investigate your compliants and deal with the source of the noise. A noise can cause a nusiance any time of day or night.
However for them to deal with the noise they would have to establish that there is a statuory nusiance i.e. the noise is causing you a nusiance and its not just a one off.

As the fireworks display was just a one off no action can be taken. However if you make a compliant to your local council and explain the distress caused by the horses and ask them to record it then your compliant will be taken into account if the organiser of the event organises any further events. Also they can ask for you to be informed in advance.

The Police can deal with noise nusiance under public disorder but 99.99999% times they will just tell you to ring your local council and won't be intrested.

So call your local council. Speak to your enviromental health department and lodge a compliant. The council are not allowed to give out the detials of who complained.

UKTigerlily

mrcol1000 wrote: »

Its a common misconception that your allowed to make loud noises until 11pm.
If a noise is causing you a nusiance your local council has a duty to investigate your compliants and deal with the source of the noise. A noise can cause a nusiance any time of day or night.
However for them to deal with the noise they would have to establish that there is a statuory nusiance i.e. the noise is causing you a nusiance and its not just a one off.

As the fireworks display was just a one off no action can be taken. However if you make a compliant to your local council and explain the distress caused by the horses and ask them to record it then your compliant will be taken into account if the organiser of the event organises any further events. Also they can ask for you to be informed in advance.

The Police can deal with noise nusiance under public disorder but 99.99999% times they will just tell you to ring your local council and won't be intrested.

So call your local council. Speak to your enviromental health department and lodge a compliant. The council are not allowed to give out the detials of who complained.

Ah sorry, I probably didn't come across right, I know that you can't be noisy all the time but what I mean is asaik fireworks can't be set off by law after 11pm

breezerockz

Hi thanks loads for your opinions,
have also looked up firework display law etc on google,
i was just soooo upset that she had a display with huge fireworks and the ones that go up quiet and go bang so loaud, and hadnt warned me, and my horse would have been fine if i had been there when they set them off.
especially as she has come to me in the past to try and get me to complain about the scouts who had a display last year and didnt warn us, but they didnt have such huge fireworks, ad are a bit further away from us and her,
and her horses bolted because of the noise, but she didnt bother telling me that she was having a display.
my horse lives out, my other did also,
uktigerlilly,i have worked at/ help at and kept horses at yards, and on those yards horses lived in and out,all year round
i also know that its also people and smaller furry animals that are frightened, but all our lot are indoors at night, and we only have one dog that is scared of them, my horse wont fit in he house.lol.
i have never come across an area that hasnt tried to notify people of a display, i have looked into it more,
i wouldnt have had a peoblem, whetever category of the fireworks, had she done the right thing and informed, me.
in what i read it mentions lifestock and horses etc, and NOT buying the biggest noisiest fire works possible, my horse could have really hurt herself, of run through the fencing and onto the main road, etc, the woman expects to be warned herself, but fails to warn others, ok i shall shut up now,lol,
thanks all again for info,
uktigerlilly, good luck with getting dog. if your allowed,
we have two small, and one german shep. we live surrounded with fields though, so cannot really advise, but when farm is busy i use lunge lines so dogs have plenty of freedom, but safely,
our small dogs arent bothered about much exercise, in fact ,even my gs prefers to have a bit of a run, then go back to her bed,very lazy,
helen

UKTigerlily

Yeah i'll be using a lungeline to take it out to do it's business when not on walks or in the parks. I won't let it off the lead unless it has 100% recall whichever dog I get, even then never near a road, but probably in the country park depending how it is with ducks & such! Have you spoken to your neighbour? You could say to her next time you'd appreciate her saying, she has her own horses so i'd hope would understand. We used to have the Quorn Hunt come thru the fields next to ours & had to put all of our horses in cause they'd try to join in :rolleyes:

Could you start bringing your horse in at night around diwali/new yr/bonfire night? By that I mean I understand it's kept out but maybe you could use whatever stable/shelter you use if it's ill & needs to be stabled?

I hope the neighbour simply forgot, some aren't so considerate unfortunately, but i'd go speak to her to ask for her to let you know in future, could as you say cause massive injuries not just to the horses either! Good luck!

orlao

I understand how angry you are......I've been in a similar situation and wanted to murder the muppets who thought it was ok to "bomb" my animals.

What I found worked was to wait until I'd calmed down (took some time:o ) and go and talk to the neighbours nicely but to point out that that it really wouldn't hurt them to inform you of any loud displays, maybe mention that they weren't happy about the scouts(do you think that they didn't tell you about the fireworks in revenge for not supporting their complaint?) so they should understand why you're not happy! I always like to have this conversations very civilly but with a sting in the tail........like if your horses are hurt/cause any damage you will have no option but to pass their details onto the insurance company, legal requirement and all that and do they realise that the insurance company would attempt to recover costs from them as their actions could be seen as contribuary(Sp!) to the claim.....at this point I smiled and said that of course, I really hoped it wouldn't need to come to that because it would be so easy to avoid that upset;) You could put it in writing but that tends to cause bad feeling unlike verbally which if you do it right you can often seem like you're doing them a favour by warning them IYSWIM

TBH, horse insurance companies don't usually attempt to recover costs from 3rd parties (Unlike car insurance) but they are entitled to and I can see it starting to happen in the near future.....

BTW, my horses stay out 24/7 and when fireworks are expected we leave the stabled horses out overnight (well rugged!) as they are more likely to hurt themselves in a confined space rather than loose in a field!

HTH

breezerockz

unfortunately cannot put horse in stable here, think she would freak,lol,
really she would have been fine if id been out with her,
i just didnt expect the display, thought as i hadnt heard from them yet that there wasnt a display yet.
if quorn hunt went passed us breeze would def join in,lol, she,d be off, but as we are in north east scotland and not east midland wont happen, (lived in loughborough when small kid)
thanks again for your advise,
my dogs recall is run to me, passed me, and into her bed, have taught her things like, when i shout bang she yelps and dies, but she doesnt like using her brain,lol. and shes dizzier than the blondest blonde, and concentration of a fish, but loverly,

breezerockz

thanks orlao
yes, its taking me time to calm down,
will talk to her, soon, w ith the sting in the tail,
i didnt support complaint about the scouts because the fireworks werent huge etc,and further away, from her and us, if she didnt warn me because of that well.... i wouldnt put animals in that sitution,
helen

c6h4m1

I have had the same problem in the past including one farmer I rented a field off having a bonfire in the field right next to mine, and setting the fireworks off towards my horses :mad: He didn't tell me he was doing it either, it's just as well someone else did - the pile of wood for the bonfire had been there for months so it wasn't just set up for November 5th.

The problem with horses and fireworks is even if they're in, they're not necessarily safe. They can easily panic and badly hurt themselves - one of mine ran through two fences to get away from fireworks and if they're inside, they can get scared and try to jump out of the stable. And not all horses take to being inside very well if they're used to living out. It's bad enough trying to cope with them then if they're ill or injured!

I hope you manage to get through to your neighbour. Some people don't have a clue and even when you try to explain to them what the problem is though :rolleyes:

naturally_2

I would just have a friendly chat with her and ask her to let you know in future, and emphasise that you really don't have a problem with it as long as you kow so that you can stand with yours. Hopefully seeing as she has her own she will sympathise and take the point.

... I find it strange though, that she does have loud fireworks with her own horses!