Holiday entitlement for part-time?

chrisbur

mess0804 wrote: »

Can someone make me understand the holiday entitlement for a part-time job? I work Mon-Fri 9-12 , so it's 15 hours a week.
I was told that in one year my entitlement is 8 days. (as it's pro-quota )
I really don't understand well how this goes. In the 8 days that I get holiday I am paid only for 3 hours a day like usual.


What I dont understand?
Let's assume that I have 2 part-time jobs. Lets say that my morning part-time would be 20 hours/ week. If I would have another part-time in the afternoons and would want holiday from that too I would ask for the holiday in the same period right? So I would have 10 full days of holiday... and be payed for 10 full days !!! :mad:

So from this logic is it normal that I have only 8 days a year (payed as a part-time for 3 hours a day)?

The following from
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10029788

There is a minimum right to paid holiday, but your employer may offer more than this. The main things you should know about holiday rights are:

• you are entitled to a minimum of 4.8 weeks (from 1 October 2007)
• the entitlement will increase again to 5.6 weeks from 1 April 2009
• those working part-time are entitled to the same level of holiday pro rata (so 4.8 then 5.6 times your usual working week)
  
• you start building up holiday as soon as you start work
• your employer can control when you take your holiday
• you get paid your normal pay for your holiday
• when you finish a job, you get paid for any holiday you’ve not taken
• bank and public holidays in Britain and Northern Ireland can be included in your minimum entitlement

I have underlined the significant parts for your problem. You are entitled to a minimum of 4.8 weeks times your usual working week. This would give you 24 days holiday each day of which should be paid as three hours pay.

Debt_Free_Chick

chrisbur wrote: »

I have underlined the significant parts for your problem. You are entitled to a minimum of 4.8 weeks times your usual working week. This would give you 24 days holiday each day of which should be paid as three hours pay.

Sorry, but I'm confused by your interpretation.

You have quoted the statutory minimum entitlement, which gives a full-timer 24 days - 4.8*5 (5 working days in a week) is 24 days - but this includes bank holidays.

As you underlined, the entitlement for a part-timer is pro-rata so 15/37.5*24 = 9.6 including Bank Holidays.

However, if the full-timers get a better entitlement, contractually, then the part-timer gets a entitlement which is pro-rata to the full timer.

Debt_Free_Chick

Emmzi wrote: »

she'd be entitled to 8 full time days off. but as she only works part hours each day, she gets more days! so it's 8 days x number of hours, say 8 for ease of calculation -= 64 hours. which at 4 hours a day actaukly would = 16 days IYSWIM.

I'd get them to give you paid hours holiday entitlement in writing meself...

I see what you mean but I'd keep it simple and calculate it this way ....

The OP works the equivalent of 2 days per week - 15/37.5*5 = 2

So in order to take a week off work, the OP need only use 2 out of her 8 days entitlement

OP - take the number of actual days (ignore your hours) you want off work - multiply by 15 and divide by 37.5. The answer is the number of days you have to take from your holiday entitlement.

HTH

N71

I work monday to friday, 9.30 to 2.30, so 25 hours a week.

My holiday entitlement is 4 of 'my' 25 hour weeks (if you see what i mean!) plus bank holidays.

I thought thats how it was worked out for all part time people.

Debt_Free_Chick

N71 wrote: »

I work monday to friday, 9.30 to 2.30, so 25 hours a week.

My holiday entitlement is 4 of 'my' 25 hour weeks (if you see what i mean!) plus bank holidays.

I thought thats how it was worked out for all part time people.

yup - if fulltimers get four weeks, then so do you.

If fulltimers work 37.5 hours per week, they get 20 days holiday a year and you get 10.67 days holiday a year.

If a full timer wants a week off, they need to take 5 days out of their entitlement.

However, you only work 2.66 days per week. So if you wanted "a week off" that would be 2.66 days so your 10.67 days gets you 4 (part-time) weeks off.

It's pro-rata .... so it all adds up to the same thing, at the end of the day.

chrisbur

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

Sorry, but I'm confused by your interpretation.

You have quoted the statutory minimum entitlement, which gives a full-timer 24 days - 4.8*5 (5 working days in a week) is 24 days - but this includes bank holidays.

As you underlined, the entitlement for a part-timer is pro-rata so 15/37.5*24 = 9.6 including Bank Holidays.

However, if the full-timers get a better entitlement, contractually, then the part-timer gets a entitlement which is pro-rata to the full timer.

All employees are entitled to a minimum of 4.8 weeks holiday (or 24 days for a five day week) not just full time employees.

I quoted the following
those working part-time are entitled to the same level of holiday pro rata (so 4.8 then 5.6 times your usual working week
It is the "times your usual working week" that produces the pro-rata affect, you should not be doing anything to the 4.8 weeks.
On your calculation the part timer gets 9.6 days holiday at 3 hours per day which gives 28.8 hours holiday.
The full timer gets 24 days at 7.5 hours per day which is 180 hours holiday.
The part timer works 40% of the hours of the full timer but gets only 16% of the holiday.
If however the part timer is given 24 days at 3 hours they get 72 hours holiday which is 40% of the full time employees holiday.

chrisbur

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

I see what you mean but I'd keep it simple and calculate it this way ....

The OP works the equivalent of 2 days per week - 15/37.5*5 = 2

So in order to take a week off work, the OP need only use 2 out of her 8 days entitlement

OP - take the number of actual days (ignore your hours) you want off work - multiply by 15 and divide by 37.5. The answer is the number of days you have to take from your holiday entitlement.

HTH

The problem is that the OP only gets 3 hours pay for each day, as they said
"In the 8 days that I get holiday I am paid only for 3 hours a day like usual." so if they take 2 days holiday for a week they are only paid 6 hours. In order to get a full 15 hours pay they would have to take 5 days holiday.

mess0804

Thank all.

I studies what you all say and I think I am right and my employer not.

I work 3h/day=15hours a week and I got 8 days holiday = 8*3= 24 hours + 8 bank holidays => 48 hours holiday. which means I got 3.2 weeks holiday.
a full timer gets 5.6.

mess0804

Just looked for my contract to see what it says.

" You are entitled to 20 days paid holiday in any holiday year. Based on a 15 hour week, you pro quota holiday entitlement is therefore 8 days per year. This is in addition to all public holidays....bla-bla......
Holidays will be paid at the same rate as your normal average earnings. "

tsstss7

mess0804 wrote: »

Just looked for my contract to see what it says.

" You are entitled to 20 days paid holiday in any holiday year. Based on a 15 hour week, you pro quota holiday entitlement is therefore 8 days per year. This is in addition to all public holidays....bla-bla......
Holidays will be paid at the same rate as your normal average earnings. "

OP according to this contract you are entitled to 20 "working" days holiday ie 20 lots of three hr days plus public holidays which for you would also work out as 8 (or however many bank hols there are this yr) lots of three hour days.

ie in hours you get 28*3= 84 hrs per year. (including bank holidays)

AFAIK the law has recently or is soon to change with regards to stat. holidays and one of the new laws is that you must either be allowed to take your holiday or paid for it. An employer cannot insist you lose your holiday entitlement but must ensure you are enabled to take it if they are not willing to pay extra.