1.5 million people on housing waiting lists

adr0ck

adr0ck wrote: »

you wouldn't expect the federation of master cake makers to comment on it would you?

and even if you did

it could then be turned round to say that even the federation of master cake makers have a vested interest because if people are paying less for their rent they would have more disposable income to buy cakes

neverdespairgirl

pickledpink wrote: »

Maybe if this government didn't give all the council houses to asylum seekers and immigrants there'd be a lot more available for those GENUINELY in need!!!

Council houses don't go to asylum seekers.

Most immigrants are in the catagory of "no dependence on public funds" which includes public housing.

So please take you anti-immigrant rants elsewhere.

Realy

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Council houses don't go to asylum seekers.

Most immigrants are in the catagory of "no dependence on public funds" which includes public housing.

So please take you anti-immigrant rants elsewhere.

How do they house them / provide shelter without public funds?

ad9898_3

Regardless whether the OP's comments at the start of the thread are correct or not, poppysarahs' answer in the second post is correct and perfectly put and pretty much answers the original question. There is no shortage, hence there are no ghettos, no fields of tents with people waiting for homes.

Under-supply is a complete myth, with no concrete figures or arguments to counter it. An example is the Wilsons, one owner, 900 houses. Does anyone truely believe that every single one of those tenants actually wants to rent ??, or were most forced into it by BTL greed pushing up prices using the ponzi scheme to put the homes out of their reach ??

Almost certainly the latter. Luckily for those tenants, they will have the option to buy soon as the Wilsons 'debt driven empire' capitulates.

PasturesNew

High house prices and high rents have lead to the benefits dependency.

If where you live a small place is £700/month and your council tax is £120 and you can get those paid and £250 JSA, it'd be hard for many to find a job that cleared that much after tax. Not to mention the cost of travelling to work!

£1070 take home means you'd have to find a job paying £16,000 to "earn" that low level of life style. Which, for a 40 hour week is £7.70/hour. A lot more than minimum wage.

Even in cheaper areas, if you're paying £500 in rent it's still a HUGE chunk out of earnings for people earning under £20,000.

adr0ck

ad9898 wrote: »

Regardless whether the OP's comments at the start of the thread are correct or not, poppysarahs' answer in the second post is correct and perfectly put and pretty much answers the original question. There is no shortage, hence there are no ghettos, no fields of tents with people waiting for homes.

Under-supply is a complete myth, with no concrete figures or arguments to counter it. An example is the Wilsons, one owner, 900 houses. Does anyone truely believe that every single one of those tenants actually wants to rent ??, or were most forced into it by BTL greed pushing up prices using the ponzi scheme to put the homes out of their reach ??

Almost certainly the latter. Luckily for those tenants, they will have the option to buy soon as the Wilsons 'debt driven empire' capitulates.

sorry got to disagree with you there ad

i think there is an undersupply of good accommodation for people on low incomes which is what this thread is about

ad9898_3

adr0ck wrote: »

sorry got to disagree with you there ad

i think there is an undersupply of good accommodation for people on low incomes which is what this thread is about

No, I agree with you adrock, my point was as house prices crash, that 'good' accommodation will come onto the market. It has been hoarded over the past few years by greedy BTL speculators, as these people get deeper and deeper in the crap, so they will sell.

The example of the Wilsons was just that. Cheaper houses are coming the way of Ashford, as they will around the rest of the country, albeit on a smaller scale.

Look at the 1000's of new build flats around the country, are they crap ?, well for 200k they are but for 20k ?, probably not.

adr0ck

ad9898 wrote: »

No, I agree with you adrock, my point was as house prices crash, that 'good' accommodation will come onto the market. It has been hoarded over the past few years by greedy BTL speculators, as these people get deeper and deeper in the crap, so they will sell.

The example of the Wilsons was just that. Cheaper houses are coming the way of Ashford, as they will around the rest of the country, albeit on a smaller scale.

Look at the 1000's of new build flats around the country, are they crap ?, well for 200k they are but for 20k ?, probably not.

i think the problem is ad is that as house prices become cheaper BTL landlords will snap them up for rent

what we actually need is a lot more HA homes so that people on low incomes rent from HA's (as their cheaper) instead of letting of BTL landlords

therefore we need to build a lot more homes

this way BTL landlords calcs wouldn't work out

lynzpower

Realy wrote: »

How do they house them / provide shelter without public funds?

"they" who are "they"

its my experience that those with no recourse to public funds are simply turned away. I used to have to tell pregnant women, elderly people, people with disabilities- sorry if you have no recourse then theres nothing I can do. No housing, no vouchers for food, no nothing. In fact, the government was telling us at the time that Child Protection was classed as a service ( :rolleyes:) and that families with no recourse could not "benefit" from this "service" - ie if you know a child is being abused or neglected, then leave them alone until you see that letter from LUnar House. This was the final straw for me in that job.

Some of my older disabled clients used to sleep on londons night bus network.
Some charities set up homestays, so general members of the population would offer thier spare rooms for no fee to those less fortunate
street homelessness agencies are struggling ( was on the news the other day) to engage with so many street homeless people due to the variety of languages that they speak
some are lucky enough to live with freinds/ family/sofa surf
some charities will pay hostel rates on behalf of those who have no recourse.
a couple of charity projects I know of will provide some shelter to those who have been trafficked with a view to trying to support them in the short term until they can go home/ granted asylum.
There was a programme on the BBC not so long ago that in manchester there are families and single people from all over the world squatting in derelict warehouses
and shops.
Im sure NDG will be able to add to this, as she currently works in the field.

I personally think this is a national disgrace. The things some of these people have experienced & seen - gave ME nightmares and I was only hearing it 2nd hand . I have seen the physical scars. I have heard the recollections and i have cried with them as they tell thier story of thier villages being firebombed and thier babies raped. but as long as no one gets in front of "us" in the queue eh!

neverdespairgirl

Realy wrote: »

How do they house them / provide shelter without public funds?

There are two different types of immigrants, here.

Asylum-seekers get NASS support, including housing, if they are broke. NASS isn't normal council housing, and is much worse - shared rooms for adults, moved around all the time (at a few days' notice) etc.

Other immigrants, those on marriage visas, work permits, students, all the rest of it, are forbidden from accessing public funds. They have to show, before they get entry clearance, that they can support themselves and any dependants without recourse to public funds, and that adequate accommodation is available. Any renewal of the visa depends on continuing to show this, and proving that it's been followed during the course of the visa.