Nightmare New Tennants in Flat - HELP!!

Debras_Angel

lauzjp wrote: »

Unfortunately unless you are at least a little well-off, you are going to get this sort of thing no matter where you live.

Hi lauzjp,

This is a myth and this sort of thing, can happen even on the well-off developments.

It may not happen very often but it does happen.

Greenr

Welshwoofs wrote: »

Personally I'd harness the power of the crowd.

The problem with anti-social idiots is you often find that, although everyone around them agrees 'something needs to be done', everyone is too intimidated to do anything on an individual basis.

So, I'd stick a note through the door of everyone bar the prats that you're holding a residents' meeting. At the residents' meeting agree that groups of people will approach the anti-socials to complain about their behaviour when it crops up.

With regards to jumping over the fence, get some security spikes on the top...that'll stop the !!!!!!s (or make them wish they hadn't..). Re the firedoor left open, get a webcam up on the wall and then you'll have evidence of who's doing it. Likewise, get a webcam trained on the post area...if you pick up someone thieving, get a group to go make a complaint to the police. If anything personal gets damaged and you can prove it's them, hammer the landlord with a small claim's court action... it won't get anywhere but the hassle may make him/her take some notice.

If they're really loud, get in environmental health people to measure the noise.

Good luck to you, I'd hate to be in that situation but there's been a lot of studies that very robust residents associations can turn things around, even on rough estates.

As for the person who said that ASBOs have to live somewhere......not if I were dictator they wouldn't. Stalin would have nothing on me

Thanks for this post - great advice! Doing things in 'Groups' is such a good idea. Lets hope the residents don't think that the Management Company should sort it out i.e. myself and one other! If they want it sorted, we'll all have to get together and sort it!!

Greenr

Debras_Angel wrote: »

lauzjp wrote: »

Unfortunately unless you are at least a little well-off, you are going to get this sort of thing no matter where you live.

Hi lauzjp,

This is a myth and this sort of thing, can happen even on the well-off developments.

It may not happen very often but it does happen.

I definately agree. Problems can happen in all sorts of developments, poor or rich! Ours doesn't happen to be poor or rich, I'd say in the middle...

pors99

Did post this before but didn't appear so here goes again!

we had this situation living nextdoor to us, the small company who owned the house spcilaised in renting to people claiming housing benifit. I have no problem with this people have a right to live somewhere as long as they are respectful of other people.

1) Start a diary of events incidents record everything.

2) contact the local council they will have a department called noise abetment centre register yourself there.

3)Contact your antisocial behaviour liason officer and explain the situation.
the above were set up buy the government to hjelp with such problems.

4) contact the owners and suggest to them that (we had drug dealers living next door and customer would only call during the wee small hours but made loads of noise when doing so!) because you have informed them of crimnal activety going on in their property that they could be implicated in any procedings as being a tasset/willing helper. I have no idea if this has any legal substance but seemed to work for me.

5)Contact local beat bobby.They can be reached by going on the local constabulary's website and fowlloing the links. they can be really helpful especially if you keep contacting them.

6) Contact the the owners and repeatdly complain recording (in writing) your request and their reply.

7) When things/crimnal activity becomes too much contact the police directly they soon start to sort things out.

8) Contact local couincillor can be helpful espcially around election time.

All these options go via the authroities and can take time and need eveidence so start collecting!

hope this helps
marky

poppysarah

Speak to the local PCSO and see what they can suggest. Sometimes they've got ideas that will be of use.

lauzjp

do not put cctv up; you cannot focus on people in a public / communal area. one of our neighbours did this and got rather told off for it by the council and police.

if you happen to have a camera and film / take photos of an incident, that's a different matter.

Greenr

pors99 wrote: »

Did post this before but didn't appear so here goes again!

we had this situation living nextdoor to us, the small company who owned the house spcilaised in renting to people claiming housing benifit. I have no problem with this people have a right to live somewhere as long as they are respectful of other people.

1) Start a diary of events incidents record everything.

2) contact the local council they will have a department called noise abetment centre register yourself there.

3)Contact your antisocial behaviour liason officer and explain the situation.
the above were set up buy the government to hjelp with such problems.

4) contact the owners and suggest to them that (we had drug dealers living next door and customer would only call during the wee small hours but made loads of noise when doing so!) because you have informed them of crimnal activety going on in their property that they could be implicated in any procedings as being a tasset/willing helper. I have no idea if this has any legal substance but seemed to work for me.

5)Contact local beat bobby.They can be reached by going on the local constabulary's website and fowlloing the links. they can be really helpful especially if you keep contacting them.

6) Contact the the owners and repeatdly complain recording (in writing) your request and their reply.

7) When things/crimnal activity becomes too much contact the police directly they soon start to sort things out.

8) Contact local couincillor can be helpful espcially around election time.

All these options go via the authroities and can take time and need eveidence so start collecting!

hope this helps
marky

Marky - thanks for this excellent advice. we're going to hold a residents meeting this weekend (hopefully most people will turn up...) and decide a plan of action. I think it would be worse if it was people in the house next door - at least we have lots of other flat owners in the same boat so we can get together and sort the problem out, you must have had a stressful time... thanks again

gfplux

Slightly off topic but -
We owned and lived in a block of flats (12) in North London N20 in the early 90's. The terms of the lease did NOT ALLOW owners to rent out their property. Each owner had one share in the company that owned the leasehold. This meant nice peaceful living as there were no rapid changes of tenants and as each owner lived there everyone cared about the property.
This is probably very unusual in these days of buy to let. In an owner occupier situation it is a great advantage.
Could this be the long term solution to your problem. Good Luck

poppysarah

lauzjp wrote: »

do not put cctv up; you cannot focus on people in a public / communal area. one of our neighbours did this and got rather told off for it by the council and police.

if you happen to have a camera and film / take photos of an incident, that's a different matter.

the management committe off the block can put up CCTV though - it's a security measure and is in place in many places.

moneysaver

Premier wrote: »

Refer to the lease agreement. Even the LL as the leaseholder could be held responsible if his tenants are breaching the terms of the lease agreement.

Being drunk in their own home is not an offense. If you are really being intimidated by them, whether they are drunk or not, call the police

Is there any requirement in the lease about ensuring the doors are always kept closed? If not, then perhaps you should approach the management company about fitting automatic door closers and locks that automatically activate on closure

So? If their actions causes damage then they can be held resposnible for that specific damage.

And? Are these people currently wanted by the police? If so, call the police. If not think about moving.

...and these issues started out so well!
Why do you have a problem with someone being arrested?

Any increase in security measures is probably a good idea.
Not sure how it relates to the above though?
Could the post be going missing because the doors are left open? If so another reason to take the action I proposed in (3) above.
You could always arrange to have the post retained at your local sorting office so that you collect it in person if you can't discover why it is going missing.

And would you like to live in the same building as this SCUM?

Would you not be worried about break ins when you were at work?

After paying to buy a nice property the LL then puts in a SS tenant, who then makes your life a misery, no wonder the OP is worried.

The tenant will end up destroying the place, and bringing the house value down.

Moneysaver