Fitting an Electric Shower

madjay

Theres worst case and there is over stating.... sorry saying it will cost £300.00 or more is taking the P.. If your are a Sparky do you get any work with those prices ... I would have worst case said £200.00

By the way you become Part P qualified...Approved Document P is regulation documentation

robby-01

madjay wrote: »

Theres worst case and there is over stating.... sorry saying it will cost £300.00 or more is taking the P.. If your are a Sparky do you get any work with those prices ... I would have worst case said £200.00

By the way you become Part P qualified...Approved Document P is regulation documentation

there is no such thing as a part p qualification.
Yes get loads of work at those prices work out the cost of all the materials required ,add the overheads for running a legit business then work out if the job is worth doing at £200.
monkeys will work for nuts

madjay

robby-01 wrote: »

there is no such thing as a part p qualification.
Yes get loads of work at those prices work out the cost of all the materials required ,add the overheads for running a legit business then work out if the job is worth doing at £200.
monkeys will work for nuts

So in your world any one can carry out Part P work, and you can charge want you want.......Monkeys may work for Nuts but con artists rip people off.....seems there is no competition where you are!!!!

robby-01

madjay wrote: »

So in your world any one can carry out Part P work, and you can charge want you want.......Monkeys may work for Nuts but con artists rip people off.....seems there is no competition where you are!!!!

there isn't a part p qualification,if you think there is please enlighten us to what it is.
As for the con man dig go for it.the job you refer to cannot be done properly with good quality materials at the price you say.
This from someone who claims to be a spark but wont fit an electric heater in a bathroom.Tell me are you ok at fitting electric showers or are they on the list of items you dont feel enough confident to tackle.

h901

i've got a fused consumer unit
so would that mean i would need a seperate unit
how much would it cost to buy the seperate unit and will the installation be more expensive?

thanks

brownbake

robby-01 wrote: »

who you calling a cowboy you half baked pr ick.
If you dont have information always quote worst case.
why tell someone a job will cost 150 when chances are it wont.
Hope you are happy with the job your "sparky" does .
Keep that "NCIB certificate" for jotting down the number of a real electrician when it all goes wrong.
you know nothing that is obvious from your post.
Could you enlighten us to what being part p qualified is.
You see Approved document p to give it its correct title, is part of the building regulations ,you cant get a qualification in it.

So you are making out that you are an electrician who doesn't even know what a consumer unit is???? LOL I would love to employ you Mr Cowboy!! You don't need a new consumer unit.... where did you learn your "trade" - playschool?? LOL:T

brownbake

h901 wrote: »

i've got a fused consumer unit
so would that mean i would need a seperate unit
how much would it cost to buy the seperate unit and will the installation be more expensive?

thanks

I am not a sparky as Gobby Robby would love to tell ya but I can read a few books!! I would guess that you have a modern consumer unit - did it look like the pic I posted in link?

That will be fine if you have spares - you said you didn't have a shower previously?

An electric shower may not be the best solution - they are more a means to. It all depends on what kind of plumbing / boiler / pressure you have. If you have a combi or high pressure hot and cold feed you would be better off fitting a manual or thermostatic shower valve. You may still need a booster pump but this runs off low current - unlike a decent elec shower. It can be run off the lighting circuit as very low voltage.

I guess a bit more info is needed from you. I wouldn't listen to a word Gobby has to say - sounds like he has a major chip, maybe he is a bit small?? But sounds like a poorly "trained" cowboy to me..

HTH

moneysavingplumber

macman wrote: »

Assume you are talking about installing it over an existing bath rather than in a new shower cubicle? For an electric shower you need a power supply and a mains feed cold water supply. No hot water feed is needed, the shower does it's own water heating. For a 9KW shower you will need a supply of around 37.5 amps run direct from your consumer unit on a dedicated circuit and incorporating an RCD. Then you need a pull cord isolator mounted outside the shower.
Impossible to really give any idea of cost as it will depend on the layout of your existing cold water and wiring. 20 metres is quite a long cable run for a shower cable. You could mount the shower unit and do any tiling etc yourself, but unless you can handle the plumbing side yourself you need to get someone in. The electrical work is notifiable, so you must employ a qualified electrician for that anyway.

I agree.

What is often overlooked is that although it may be 20 metres away from the unit 'as the crow flies', the cable run may be considerably further depending on the best and most desirable route, and it's not always easy to route 10mm cable from under the stairs or the garage, which means the costs can creep up. The MCBs being referred to in this thread are not the same as the RCD macman here has referred to, even an old Wylex board can be upgraded to MCB cartridges, but that will not provide adequate protection for an electric shower. If the existing consumer unit does not incorporate an RCD on the side that the shower is to be connected to, then a separate RCD 'mini board' needs to be installed just for the shower. If the installer isn't registered to notify their own work for Part P compliance then you will need to pay the local building inspector (around £150) to certify the work.

welshman10

Hi...er, don't want to get involved in the hi-tech debate but I have a complete novice plumbing/electrics/DIY question

My shower packed in a few months ago. When you turned it on no water would come out. As a, er...workaround, I discovered that if you thumped it in a certain place it worked fine. Eventually, that stopped working.

I took off the front panel and I think I can see the part that has broken as a plastic bit has snapped off. the shower is a Mira Zest (http://www.mirashowers.com/onlinecatalog/shower_features.jsp?item=116816&prod_num=Zest&cat=Electric+Showers)

After checking the User Guide, if I had to bet I would guess that it is part 439.77 that has gone, which is the Flow Reg Assembly.

My first dilemma is whether to buy this replacement part and gamble on it being that. Is this going to be easy to fit? Or do I need to get an electrician?

My second dilemma is if I just be done with it and buy a whole new replacement unit, who do I get to fit that for me? I'm quite happy to have exactly the same unit, if it makes it easier - it's only £120 anyway. I'm guessing the existing plumbing would all be ok if it was exactly the same unit? I've got this Respatex stuff around the bath and I really don't want to be mucking about with that! So who would I get to fit it...is that a job for plumber or electrician?

I really want to get it sorted asap now as bathing in the mornings before work is getting to me. That's why I'm not too bothered about cost, I just want it sorted.

I did say I am a plumbing/electrics/DIY novice...

moneysavingplumber

welshman10 wrote: »

Hi...er, don't want to get involved in the hi-tech debate but I have a complete novice plumbing/electrics/DIY question

My shower packed in a few months ago. When you turned it on no water would come out. As a, er...workaround, I discovered that if you thumped it in a certain place it worked fine. Eventually, that stopped working.

I took off the front panel and I think I can see the part that has broken as a plastic bit has snapped off. the shower is a Mira Zest (http://www.mirashowers.com/onlinecatalog/shower_features.jsp?item=116816&prod_num=Zest&cat=Electric+Showers)

After checking the User Guide, if I had to bet I would guess that it is part 439.77 that has gone, which is the Flow Reg Assembly.

My first dilemma is whether to buy this replacement part and gamble on it being that. Is this going to be easy to fit? Or do I need to get an electrician?

My second dilemma is if I just be done with it and buy a whole new replacement unit, who do I get to fit that for me? I'm quite happy to have exactly the same unit, if it makes it easier - it's only £120 anyway. I'm guessing the existing plumbing would all be ok if it was exactly the same unit? I've got this Respatex stuff around the bath and I really don't want to be mucking about with that! So who would I get to fit it...is that a job for plumber or electrician?

I really want to get it sorted asap now as bathing in the mornings before work is getting to me. That's why I'm not too bothered about cost, I just want it sorted.

I did say I am a plumbing/electrics/DIY novice...

If you get a straight swap then it's not notifiable so a decent plumber should be confident enough to tackle it, although electricians often replace electric showers too, but it's always worth getting the existing installation checked by the relevant person anyway.