Gas Fire Part - Can you help identify it from the picture?

pealy

welda wrote: »

Pealy, I was certainly not having a go at you

Never imagined you were, I welcome all responses and I can fully understand everyone's lack of confidence in my abilities, why should anyone assume I know what I'm doing?

EliteHeat

welda wrote: »

Mr Eliteheat, a serious question for you regarding a non corgi or capita as it will soon be titled under. What exactly is the law regarding for example: I installed my new all NG range cooker earlier this year, I re-routed pipework, then did the installation. I can't remember the proper name for test equipment, but I did do a drop test, which indicated my work was sound with no leaks, all joints are soldered, apart from compression fitted stop valve and, brass female baynot fitting (I removed spring ect prior to using heat on valve) I can tell you, all went well with this job, I should also state, I do have a good knowledge resource at hand, and I did ask questions prior to commencing task, now for what I did way back around easter time, does this constitute a breach of rules and regs???

Oh, I never go near the boiler, I know my limitations!

Thanks in advance.

W.

All newly installed gas appliances require notification to both Corgi and Building Control. As a certified installer I can notify my own work. You, who are presumably not certified cannot. In these cases you can pay for a building inspector to examine the works and issue the certification. A Corgi engineer absolutely cannot certify someone elses work, except that of another Corgi - although why this might be necessary is a mystery.

There is a whole world of difference between installing a relatively simple new appliance and fixing a dangerous one. The appliance that you installed is flueless and not used for space heating, is on for a limited amount of time and generally quite safe. A gas fire belongs to the open flued appliance category and is easily responsible for more deaths due to carbon monoxide poisoning than any other type of gas appliance. All Corgi engineers treat them (or should do) with the utmost respect and caution - when they go wrong they are potentially lethal.

The device you used to check for leaks was btw, a manometer - or should have been.

EliteHeat

lexie55 wrote: »

Elite Heat - my OH says you are a very knowledgeable chap, your comments are always spot on, pity the OP's don't pick up on them...

Ta always happy to help.

welda

paintpot wrote: »

Jesus wept, I am not a Corgi engineer but surely trying to save a few quid is not worth it when you are dealing with a gas appliance.

In my own home and with rented properties I manage I never compromise on gas or electrics. I have trusted Corgi engineers I use and if they say there's a problem then it's dealt with - no quibble on my part, I'll pay the money for safety.

Please do not assume, and speaking for myself here, I do not do work for myself based on saving a few quid, I do it because I can and, normally do it better than what a tradesman can do, it will take longer, and when complete, I take great satisfaction achieving my end goal!

You state you manage properties (now I am assuming) whether you do or don't, a landlord HAS to comply with rules and regs, plus any work is tax deductible. If a manager only for a landlord, why bust a gut, breach regs to save a few quid for the owner!

W.

welda

EliteHeat wrote: »

All newly installed gas appliances require notification to both Corgi and Building Control. As a certified installer I can notify my own work. You, who are presumably not certified cannot. In these cases you can pay for a building inspector to examine the works and issue the certification. A Corgi engineer absolutely cannot certify someone elses work, except that of another Corgi - although why this might be necessary is a mystery.

There is a whole world of difference between installing a relatively simple new appliance and fixing a dangerous one. The appliance that you installed is flueless and not used for space heating, is on for a limited amount of time and generally quite safe. A gas fire belongs to the open flued appliance category and is easily responsible for more deaths due to carbon monoxide poisoning than any other type of gas appliance. All Corgi engineers treat them (or should do) with the utmost respect and caution - when they go wrong they are potentially lethal.

The device you used to check for leaks was btw, a manometer - or should have been.

Hi EliteHeat, many thanks for your frank and easy to understand reply. yep was a manometer I used for drop test, I was given a very good induction on how to use this device. I also very much agree with you not to dabble with open flue appliances, I value my life too much (and others) to become a statistic to CM silent killer! When I mentioned the repair I did to my own gas fire (Valor HomeFlame) there was no need for me to dabble with actual parts that spews out gas in small or large amounts, top end igntor switch, business end spade connector. If for example I do have a problem with gas boiler, or other appliance, I will investigate using various means, if nothing else, I can explain better to qualified engineer, can save time, and less hunger or cold periods! As I previously stated, I know my limitations, and more importantly, I know the potential consequencies of delving into areas outwith my scope.

Btw, Corgi to Capita, are you guys still in a state of flux regarding the change, hopefully Capita will be more interested in benifitting the industry more so than the money grabbing (do nothing) Corgi??

W.

paintpot

Everything you just said and more, I also own my own home. It wasn't me drilling a part required for a gas fire. Nor would I, regulations or not, or who is paying for it, even if I thought I could. If I want to achieve a "goal" I don't test the end result on me, family, friends or neighbours (or the entire neighbouhood) unless I am quite sure it won't kill them. Hence, I don't cook for them let alone meddle with gas fires :rolleyes:

I even have a Corgi guy who refuses point blank to issue gas safety certs on gas fires. He said he prefers to sleep soundly in his bed at night as he puts it. Whether that's right or wrong I respect his decision.

welda wrote: »

Please do not assume, and speaking for myself here, I do not do work for myself based on saving a few quid, I do it because I can and, normally do it better than what a tradesman can do, it will take longer, and when complete, I take great satisfaction achieving my end goal!

You state you manage properties (now I am assuming) whether you do or don't, a landlord HAS to comply with rules and regs, plus any work is tax deductible. If a manager only for a landlord, why bust a gut, breach regs to save a few quid for the owner!

W.

Pssst

welda wrote: »

Btw, Corgi to Capita, are you guys still in a state of flux regarding the change, hopefully Capita will be more interested in benifitting the industry more so than the money grabbing (do nothing) Corgi??

W.

The whole Corgi/Capita thing is a farce.
Corgi was originally set up and funded by the British Gas Corporation (pre sell off) to promote sound engineering practice and gas safety.

After privatisation,the funding stopped and Corgi had to paddle its own canoe to a large degree.
Because of this,it became a monster which now has little respect from good quality engineers. It simply became a registration authority and money making business. Perhaps Capiti will not be much different. All that has happened is that many of the CORGI staff have been tuped to Capita. Hopefully there will be different people at the helm but they will still have to make money by ripping off installers for their petty registrations of this that and the other.

IMHO the only thing that really matters for a good engineer is high quality training.i.e a proper, lengthy apprenticeship learned in college,a training centre and practical mentoring from another skilled engineer. Also proper assessment,failure where necessary and your own personal values and integrity.

dmk1

I found my way to this thread cause the piezo ignition on my gas fire is not always sparking...
Having read (most) of the above, am I allowed to replace this unit, assuming it could be replaced without disturbing any of the gas installaton?

Cheers,
Dan

pealy

dmk1 wrote: »

I found my way to this thread cause the piezo ignition on my gas fire is not always sparking...
Having read (most) of the above, am I allowed to replace this unit, assuming it could be replaced without disturbing any of the gas installaton?

Cheers,
Dan

My opinion is that yes you are. The forums are full of people telling you you're crazy to leave the safety of your house so use your common sense. I replaced my injector and we're all still alive - sorry scaremongers..