Asked for Dental NHS Scale and Polish.Told "Go to Hygienist at £25 extra"

boozercruiser

brook2jack wrote: »

So given that less than 1% of NI goes to dentistry and in your area of Wales £28 per person treated per year is spent on NHS dentistry in total including patient charge what would you suggest?

There is no more money for dentistry.What should people expect from dentists for £28 a year? If as a country that is all that can be afforded what is it that is important to protect? Complex treatment that is expensive to provide and maintain? Or a basic service for everyone that provides enough to keep people out of pain and healthy ( you only need 20 teeth to be healthy) and basic preventative work but they have to go private for anything else.

I don't really know the answer M8 to the conundrum as the country is right in the hit for a few years I guess.:)

But as you are talking about what we can afford here in Wales...I did a Freedom Of Information request which resulted that In JULY 2010 I wrote the following letter as printed in the Shropshire Star and other Welsh Newspapers..

Letter: Most of us are aware that the Welsh Assembly Government has been breeding staff like rabbits. Do people know it has also been breeding offices?

Through a freedom of information request I found out it has 72 offices in Wales alone – 16 in Cardiff.
There are offices in Brussels, New York, Sydney, Beijing and Shanghai, Honk Kong, Mumbai and Bangalore, Tokyo, Dubai, Munich, Milan, and two in London.
Why does the Assembly need them?
My FOI answer showed the running costs just in annual outgoings expenditure for financial year 2009 to May 2010 of rent, rates, service charges, utilities, office cleaning and maintaining of these offices is a bare minimum of £16,859,439 – this does not include staffing costs.
But I found in my FOI request we have the chief executive and clerk to the Assembly on £122,401 to £133,515 salary range, chief operating officer £95,407 to £117,423 and two directors on the same rate of pay.
On top of this there are 40 executive band employees on £44,000 to £66,800 and 52 management band on between £34,000 to £42,000. There are no less than another nine people on £54,500 to £80,000.
Also revealed were a further 200 people who work for the Assembly on rates below £30,000 and it should be remembered that the extra other costs just to employ each of the 300 employees is about 30 per cent for pension, benefits, National Insurance etc.
Readers can find the full details at www.whatdothey know.com
The worst thing Wales ever did was vote for the bloated, overpaid, useless, drain on our finances.

Read more: http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2010/07/27/letter-does-welsh-assembly-need-a-sydney-office/#ixzz17l0GjVH5

Now then, scrap the'se offices, overpaid staff. (Including ALL of the Welsh Assembly) Scrap all this Windfarm, Carbon Climate Change caused by man rubbish (in my opinion, the greatest con ever) along with Billions wasted by both local and national Government, and NHS Dental and other Care could and should be properly funded....no problem

In the meantime, back to the real world, and in my own interests I can only swim against the tide and try not to drown in the process!:)

Cheers.

welshdent

booze a man from my own heart re the assembly! I voted no in the first place and would still vote no now. Bloated, expensive and unnecessary

boozercruiser

welshdent wrote: »

booze a man from my own heart re the assembly! I voted no in the first place and would still vote no now. Bloated, expensive and unnecessary

I just knew you and I had something in common Welshdent!;):rotfl:

Toothsmith

You two will be off down the pub next !

boozercruiser

Toothsmith wrote: »

You two will be off down the pub next !

Eh! What a good idea Toothsmith:beer:
And while we are there, he can have a ruddy good look at my teeth for a second opinion before my appointment to have two fillings and an extraction in January 2011.

Care to join us?:rotfl::beer: Then you could compare BPE Scores!

Toothsmith

Ha - It's hard enough staying 'legal' looking at people's teeth in my practice with all the rules and regulations governing what equipment must be available and how it should be cleaned, stored and disposed of.

If we tried to do it in a public bar, a S.W.A.T. team would burst in and shoot us all!

jugglebug

Toothsmith wrote: »

Ha - It's hard enough staying 'legal' looking at people's teeth in my practice with all the rules and regulations governing what equipment must be available and how it should be cleaned, stored and disposed of.

If we tried to do it in a public bar, a S.W.A.T. team would burst in and shoot us all!

And charge us for the bullets as well

boozercruiser

Toothsmith wrote: »

Ha - It's hard enough staying 'legal' looking at people's teeth in my practice with all the rules and regulations governing what equipment must be available and how it should be cleaned, stored and disposed of.

If we tried to do it in a public bar, a S.W.A.T. team would burst in and shoot us all!

You know the "regulations governing what equipment must be available" mention....well then......

When I first came across this....."You have some gum disease, and you should see the Hygenist" (£25 ....now £28 thank you very much) at which point I made my very first post here.

When I challanged the fact that the Scale and Polish should be done under NHS with him....I remembering him saying quite clearly

"Well I don't have the equipment here to do that".

Even then I remember thinking "Pull the other one M8y...it's got bells on it.....and then I posted here....
....
I did of course end up getting that Scale and Polish. But I assume from your mention that there is no way he can justifiably say this? And he was not telling the truth anyway anyway....was he?

I mean, if he really did have to do '(a) non-surgical periodontal treatment including root-planing, deep scaling, irrigation of periodontal pockets and subgingival curettage and all necessary scaling and polishing' then it followes that he MUST have the equipment there to carry this work out under Band 2.


I cannot ask him, because he has scooted off back to Poland!.:)

welshdent

Booze toothsmith isn't referring to THAT equipment ;-) he is referring to things such as washer disinfectors and other such pointless expensive devices that dont work

brook2jack

As someone who used to be involved in practice inspections I can tell you there are no regulations as so what a dental surgery has to have to actually do dentistry eg mirrors, handpieces, dental chair etc. , but there are thousands of regulations regarding "incidental equipment " ,paperwork,employment you have to have eg. emergency drugs, oxygen, washer disinfectors!!!!!, water supply with non return, sinks with no overflows , lockable file cabinets, written policies on paper clip usage etc.

Someone elsewhere described a dental surgery as a building entirely surrounded by regulations so I'm afraid that that pub consultation is definately out.

As for a quick peek round, well as dentists in the UK are twice as likely to be sued as those in the US the only dentist willing to do this would be someone who wanted a very short career.