bloody delivery drivers

BYALPHAINDIA

I agree - Sat is job & knock the best day to get a Del.

custardy

Unity wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that up and I'm not being facetious here, it's a serious question - but why is the post here earlier when he's away on holiday and someone else is covering?

BTW Love the avatar :T.

many reasons,younger guys pushing harder to get round.
another example is posties using their own car on delivery(a bone of contention for me!)
so using their car they would do the route differently to someone doing their job properly and following the route using the supplied pouch boxes/drop off points

Unity

BYALPHAINDIA wrote: »

Lol - When you are a Delivery operative you will come across:

Deaf people:o
Dead people
Cats Rats n Dogs:eek:
Gates In Your Face
Slippy Footpaths.WHOOOO:o

The Cat Litter Tray that sticks to your shoes.Lol:o

I regularly delivered to a house with a dog, Too many to mention, But one perticular Dog was too much of a Guard dog and knew what time you were calling.Lol

One day it came up behind me and ended up with it's paws on my back, No harm done but frighteneing to say the least.

Anyhow, I got my own back, And on a further visit took the dog some bait, A nice piece of 'Haddock' and I then made the dog jump!!!:rotfl:

I crept up the path like a tiger!!

You also encounter houses that are cleaner on the outside - wipe your shoes on the way out.Lol

Thankfully you don't have to go very far into these houses. I remember one house where a relative (LA inspector) had to check a house after the old bloke had died. They got the fumigation squad in and on carrying the sofa outside, a seat cushion fell off to reveal an 'mummified' dead cat:eek:. Perhaps not quite so bad as the discovery that the toilet had been blocked......................................... Long enough for him to fill the bath to over-flowing - they had to take some of the back wall out to get a crane in to lift out the bath.

We always did wonder though how the toilet pan had literally a mountain of shh, you know what - about a foot high above the rim:eek:. Unfortunately visions of him swinging from the cistern quickly ensued.:rotfl:.

Unity

custardy wrote: »

many reasons,younger guys pushing harder to get round.
another example is posties using their own car on delivery(a bone of contention for me!)
so using their car they would do the route differently to someone doing their job properly and following the route using the supplied pouch boxes/drop off points

Thanks for this - it's always useful to get info from a person doing the same job:T. I wouldn't risk using my car for this as I doubt if the insurance would cover it. "Business and Leisure" usage would only cover me for trips to work, not for using my car once I got there.

custardy

Unity wrote: »

Thanks for this - it's always useful to get info from a person doing the same job:T. I wouldn't risk using my car for this as I doubt if the insurance would cover it. "Business and Leisure" usage would only cover me for trips to work, not for using my car once I got there.

its a big issue with RM and the union
its complex but RM allowed this practice as it suited them and suited the posties under the old job & finish set up
job & finish is dead so these posties dont see they are not helping themselves
technically RM cover you 3rd party if your manager goes through proper procedure to authorise your vehicle
however this often doesnt happen plus posties should still be declaring those business miles to their insurer
then you see RM have cut driving duties artificially as those using their cars are supporting this. now with some posties not using their cars the offices are in turmoil with not enough drivers to cope with taking posties & bags out

this is an exert regarding accidents and RM employees using cars

Re:- Fatal Road Traffic Accident Friday 26th September:
63 year old Carole Paulson was knocked down and killed in Brentwood, Essex last Friday afternoon at 1.55pm on the Shenfield Road in the town. She was taken to Queen's Hospital, Romford, but died.

After the accident a 51-year-old Postman Keith Gunn who was driving his private green Jeep on Royal Mail delivery work was arrested, charged with careless driving and was subsequently released on police bail until October 29th whilst Police investigations continue.

More serious charges could be brought against the individual and Corporate Manslaughter charges could be brought against Royal Mail. At this stage we do not know. But - as a result of the 'scourge’ of Private Car Use on Delivery we have yet another person dead and yet another Postal worker facing serious charges, possible imprisonment if found guilty of causing death by careless driving and what ever happens in court, he will have to live with the death of an innocent pedestrian for the rest of his life. I feel very sorry for all concerned.

The facts I have before me, following an investigation by the CWU Area Safety Representative Paul Rew is that the Delivery Office Manager has failed to discharge Royal Mail's health and safety duty of care to staff employed by Royal Mail and to members of the public who may be affected by Royal mail operations. The Manager has failed to ensure there is no risk to the health and safety of the staff.

The DOM hasn't undertaken documentary checks as required in Royal Mail's policy and checked drivers licences, insurance and MOT certificates.

There has been no Safety Checks undertake on staff's cars being used on delivery.

None of the Brentwood DO staff (at the time of the accident) had been 'authorised' to use their cars and none had been instructed by the DOM to sign the Royal Mail private car user's declaration for authorisation and business use insurance cover.

The standard required Risk assessment form WE STD 5 which is to be used to assess the risks associated with the use of private cars has not been completed for any staff using private cars at Brentwood DO. It should be completed prior to use and should be reviewed by the manager periodically (at least every 12 months), whenever a new manager takes over on a permanent basis, whenever the car is changed or if a weakness in the system is identified e.g. following an accident.

No Private Car Users have been required to re-complete the vehicle declaration section of WE STD 5 monthly.

The Royal Mail rules required DOMs to complete the Manual Handling Risk Assessment MH12 to ensure risk controls and safe systems of work are in place to transport mail to the vehicles and when lifting delivery pouches in and out - however the DOM hasn't done this either.

The DOM hasn't asked to see the vehicle's maintenance records of Private Cars used on Delivery to ensure the vehicles are roadworthy or suitable for the work. Royal Mail's rules require all vehicles used for business purposes to be roadworthy and fully maintained in order to minimize any risk to the safety of employees and other road users.

Staff at Brentwood DO haven't been requested to produce all relevant documents to the manager on a six monthly basis (MOT certificate etc).

The Manager hasn't carried out vehicle roadworthy spot checks or asked for vehicles to be checked by the Vehicle Services Road Transport Workshops.

A "Walksafe" threat assessments haven't been completed either.

This isn't the first time - a few examples:

Robert Sharp, a Postman from Hamilton, Lanarkshire was sentenced to seven years prison after being found guilty at Hamilton Sheriffs Court of causing the death of a teenage girl Fiona McGill, through dangerous driving in August 2001 whilst using his private car on delivery near Uddingston. He was also found guilty of seriously injuring two other girls Stephanie O'Brien and Julie Ann Glancy who were waiting for a school bus with Miss McGill. Sharp lost control of his car, mounting the pavement and hit the three girls. A young life may never have been lost and a young man may never have had to be sent to prison had there been no private cars on delivery.

Darren Cooper, a Postman at Kesgrave DO was forced to use his private car on delivery by his Delivery Office Manager when the DOM wouldn't provide Crew Bus pick up arrangements and told Darren to use his private car in order to save money for Royal Mail. The Delivery Office Manager completely ignored all health and safety requirements, just like at Brentwood. On the 5th May 2006 Darren was involved in an RTA near his first delivery point with his first pouch of mail and 5 extra pouches of mail on board. Darren had to be cut free from the wreckage and sustained broken right patella (wired up), broken left femur (plate put in) left knee shattered (had to be replaced), 2 broken ribs, a broken left wrist and a dislocated left hand. Darren was disabled for life. This wouldn't have happened if there had been no private cars on delivery.

Ben Turk a young Postman at Stroud DO was killed whilst using a private vehicle on delivery after being involved in an RTA. In March 1997 Royal Mail faced charges at Gloucester Magistrates Court as follows:

Between the 1st June 1995 and the 31st December 1995 Royal Mail being an employer, did contravene Section 2(1) and 2(2)(a) of the Health and Safety at Work Etc Act 1974, in that they failed to operate a safe system of work in the Royal Mail Stroud delivery office in that there was no proper system operating for authorising or permitting the use of private motor vehicles by their employees in the course of the discharge of their duties thus ensuring that any vehicle that was so used was roadworthy, that the driver was a competent person who was qualified to drive and that the said vehicle was insured for the purpose of delivering the mail, whereby they are guilty of an offence as provided by Section 33(1)(a) of the Health and Safety at Work Etc Act 1974 and liable to a penalty as provided by Section 33 (1)(a) of the said Act as amended.
Between the 1st June 1995 and the 31st December 1995, Royal Mail being an employer, did contravene Section 2(1) and 2(2)(b) of the Health and Safety at Work Etc Act 1974, in that they failed to ensure that the arrangements for transporting the mail were safe and without risk to health in that they permitted the mail to be carried inunregulated and unauthorised private vehicles in relation to which there were no checks in respect of their roadworthiness or to ensure that the driver of the same was a competent person or that the said vehicle was insured whereby they are guilty of an offence as provided by Section 33(1)(a) of the Health and Safety at Work Etc Act 1974 and liable to a penalty as provided by Section 33(1)(a) of the said Act as amended.
Between the 1st January 1993 and the 31st December 1995, Royal Mail being an employer, did contravene Regulation 4(1)(b)(i) of the Manual Handling Operations Regulations 1992 in that they failed to make a suitable and sufficient assessment of the manual handling risks involved in the loading and unloading of private vehicles with the mail, whereby they are guilty of an offence as provided by Section 33(1)(c) of the Health and Safety at Work Etc Act 1974 and liable to a penalty as provided by Section 33(3) of the said Act as amended.
Failure to instruct, train or supervise employees in any safety policy as regards the use of private vehicles during the course of delivering the mail in contravention of Section 2(1) and 2(2)(c) of the Health and Safety at Work Act.
Failure to carry out a suitable and sufficient risk assessment of the risks to the health and safety of employees undertaking to make deliveries of mail using private vehicles and the suitability of each vehicle for carrying loads in contravention of Regulation 3 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations.
Royal Mail were found guilty and paid fines and costs of £30,000.



We had the case of an Agency Worker employed at Bedford DO, caught by Police using a Private Car on Delivery with four Delivery Pouches of Mail on board - the Car was a "death trap" later crushed by Police and the Agency worker didn't have a Licence, Insurance, Tax or an MOT!

This latest Brentwood DO case is yet another appalling example of Royal Mail failing to comply with basic health and safety legislation in respect of failure to discharge the duty of care under the Health and Safety At Work Act as well as aiding and abetting Road Traffic Act Offences to be committed.

New police checks have been introduced regarding drivers who have road accidents while at work as part of a campaign to get employers to better manage occupational road risk. It is now widely accepted that the most dangerous thing most people do while at work is to drive and the Police have been constantly warning employers and fleet managers about the responsibility they have to keep their drivers safe.
Serious consideration needs to be given by Royal Mail to the Health and Safety Executive and the Department for Transport guidance to employers about work-related road safety, which stresses the need for employers to carry out risk assessments and introduce control measures. Companies can face legal action if they don’t meet their responsibilities.
Far too many Royal Mail Managers still pay no heed to what their drivers are doing out on the road whilst on delivery in Private Cars in particular. Royal Mail has a moral and legal responsibility to keep their employees safe by introducing safe driving policies, but also to safeguard the lives of people on roads around them. There is also a strong business case for managing occupational road risk which no company can afford to ignore.
Within a culture of staff possibly rushing to complete their delivery rounds on a "job and finish" basis which by its very nature may encourage excessive speed and distraction, this catastrophic accident may never have happened. Royal Mail, the duty holder’s standard of managing health and safety is far below what is required by health and safety law.

Royal Mail have continually insisted that it has a "zero tolerance" approach to anyone failing to comply with private car use rules. My view is that uncontrolled use and Managers "turning a blind-eye" makes that statement a nonsense.

This latest fatality is yet another good reason why private car use on deliveries needs to be "banned". Initially it should be strictly controlled and then completely banned ASAP. I am writing to urge your attention to this matter and to swiftly ban the use of private cars on delivery, if Royal Mail is serious about improving safety, this course of action has no alternative.



Yours Sincerely



Dave Joyce

National Health, Safety & Environment Officer

BYALPHAINDIA

Iv'e put the kettle on.:beer:

Anthillmob

my fab postie just missed me today with a parcel and was taking it back to the sorting office. my neighbou nabbed him and he let her take it in for me. not done much these days.

he also had a parcel for me mum who was out and asked me neighbour if i was related to the lady at 160 as it was an unusal surname and we both had it. she didnt know bt he went back down the hill and delivered to my mum sccessfully and asked her to phone and let me know where my parcel was incase me neighbour was a scrote even thogh he left me a card.

now thats how deliverys shold be.

custardy

Anthillmob wrote: »

my fab postie just missed me today with a parcel and was taking it back to the sorting office. my neighbou nabbed him and he let her take it in for me. not done much these days.

he also had a parcel for me mum who was out and asked me neighbour if i was related to the lady at 160 as it was an unusal surname and we both had it. she didnt know bt he went back down the hill and delivered to my mum sccessfully and asked her to phone and let me know where my parcel was incase me neighbour was a scrote even thogh he left me a card.

now thats how deliverys shold be.

however do a search and see people complaining on posties leaving items and not carding/returning the items

Pssst

Unity wrote: »

Did you ever think that those "Still lying in their pits" may well have put in a challenging night-shift in say one of the emergency services? What would you do if you needed one of these and they'd all clocked off at 5 p.m.?

As to those "Pretending they are not in" - they may well have had enough of hawkers, tradesmen, religious organisations, double-glazing salesmen, utilities salesmen and any number of other annoyances, I know I have! I already have double-glazing, my gas and electric were sorted after coming on this site and I have absolutely no wish to be converted to any other religion. In fact when asked if I would like to "Talk about God?" - I reply that I never discuss close personal friends with total strangers - as She wouldn't like that!;)

They may also be disabled, relying on a stairlift and crutches, or caring for someone who has been up all night with anything from croup to a terminal illness. By the time they get there - the person has gone, which is just as frustrating.

I remember one particular meter reader, where it didn't matter if you opened the door immediately when he'd knocked, he would have already started walking away. There was me thinking that "Knocky nine doors" was a game for eight-year-olds :rotfl:.

Calling people "Deaf retards" is just insulting :eek: - many have sacrificed their hearing in heavy industry, due to illness - or it may just have been their bad luck to have been born that way, it's still no reason to take the p!!!

I personally find that it doesn't matter how good a doorbell you have (e.g. one that rings right at the back of the house) - you will always, always get someone (I'll resist similar name calling here:doh:) who can't figure how to operate that one button:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: and insists on just knocking on the door, which is not guaranteed to be heard further than six feet away.

Like Custardy says: "You just can't win" and it cuts both ways.

Beleive me,after more than 20 years in dealing with the public,you can analyse a situation in a microsecond. Fact is,when i knock on doors,the ones who avoid me know that ive come to do bad things..hence their avoidance.