Found: a low radiation cordless phone for the kids

Tinfish

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Our family has been concerned for a while now about news reports claiming that cell phones and cordless phones are a health risk (there were more articles in the Express, Sun and Mail this week). So I decided to search the likes of Argos and Comet for a low radiation cordless phone to be on the safe side. They're apparently available in Australia, but I couldnt find one in the UK. Then I stumbled on this low rad model > http://lowradiation.co.uk/?id=rb

Reading the blurb, this phone is designed to stop sending out damaging microwave signals when its not in use, yet all the other cordless phones Ive looked at in Comet etc, send out microwave radiation non stop through the whole house, even when placed on the base station!! I never knew that till a few days ago! )-:

Anyway, since this phone is probably the only low radiation phone in the UK, I cant claim that Ive found a low priced bargain (except to say that it does save on electricty cos it shuts down most of the time). But since I'm mainly concerned about the safety of my kids being exposed to too much radaition from cordless, wi-fi and cell phones etc, this smart phone is a good start, and a bargain for us.

What price health?

Cheers

Tin

A short excerpt from the Mail article this week..>

Children who use mobile phones are 'five times more likely to develop brain tumours'

Daily Mail
23rd September 2008

"Children who use mobile phones are five times more likely to develop a type of brain tumour, research has suggested".

"...Professor Hardell said that cordless phones were almost as risky as mobile phones, with youngsters using them four times as likely to develop cancer of the glial cells which support the central nervous system. ...About half of all primary brain tumours are gliomas, according to Cancer Research"..

Full story
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1058989/Children-use-mobile-phones-times-likely-develop-brain-tumours.html

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normanmark

I think you're being a bit of a hypochondriac tbh.

Tinfish

Norman wrote........:

"I think you're being a bit of a hypochondriac".

Hi Norman,
You can think what you want, but I've read a lot of the scientific research showing that cordless and mobiles are a health risk, especially for children.
If I took your attitude I'd let my kids carry on regardless using high radiation cordless phones and cell phones - which would increase their chances of getting brain cancer by a factor of five.
I suggest you read - with an open mind - what medical experts from around the world are saying, and rely less on your own theories >
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mobile-phone-use-raises-childrens-risk-of-brain-cancer-fivefold-937005.html

Regards

T.
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alanq

The low radiation phones still emit radiation when in use and the most significant "risk" occurs when making or receiving a call and the receiver is up against ones head. Anyone concerned about the effects of radiation should simply install corded phones. Problem solved.

Tinfish

alanq wrote: »

The low radiation phones still emit radiation when in use and the most significant "risk" occurs when making or receiving a call and the receiver is up against ones head. Anyone concerned about the effects of radiation should simply install corded phones. Problem solved.

Hi Alan,

Yes you are right, a corded 'plugin' is the ideal solution, but many people actually need to be 'mobile' now, especially if you work from home like I do. Hence the low radiation cordless phone is a good solution for me because I can use it for short periods and during that time it will only emit a third of radiation that a standard cordless phone will emit....and even better, when I'm not on the phone, there is zero radiation emited (see the technical blurb here) >
http://lowradiation.co.uk/?id=rb

Rgds

Tin

moonrakerz

Tinfish wrote: »

I suggest you read - with an open mind - what medical experts from around the world are saying, and rely less on your own theories >
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mobile-phone-use-raises-childrens-risk-of-brain-cancer-fivefold-937005.html

"Mobile phone use carries no cancer risk, says study" - Danish Cancer Institute study of 420,000 users

"Mobiles 'don't raise cancer risk" - Leeds & Nottingham Universities/Institute of cancer Research.

"No cancer risk from Mobile 'phones" -Tokyo Women's University Study

"It found no link between mobile phones and any type of cancer including brain cancers and leukaemia. Even people who had been using their phones for 10 years or more did not have increased risks" - Cancer Research UK

One of the studies above even found some evidence that could indicate that mobile users were actually at a lower risk than non users !!!

Ah well - back to the drawing board !

Tinfish

moonrakerz wrote: »

"Mobiles 'don't raise cancer risk" - Leeds & Nottingham Universities/Institute of cancer Research.

One of the studies above even found some evidence that could indicate that mobile users were actually at a lower risk than non users !!!

Ah well - back to the drawing board !

Hi Moonraker,

The studies you quoted were mostly over 4 years old, and you failed to provide any links to the actual articles, or even mention that epidemiological studies could never show there was no risk of an activity, they could only suggest there was no raised risk; and lets not forget that we have a telcom industry with a vested interest in profits here, which is far bigger and more aggresive than the tobacco industry - and guess who was partly funding the studies?

The research I listed was presented at the Royal Society just last week by health experts from around the world. So I wont be going "back to the drawing board", thanks .. Instead I'll stick with the precautionary approach for the sake of my kids, and I'll minimise radiation exposure from wi-fi, cell phones and standard high Rad cordless phones. Heck, even Cancer Research UK suggests that I'm doing the right thing when they say on their OLD webpage > >>

"Taking precautions. Mobile phones are a recent invention. So far, studies have indicated that using these phones for about 10 years is safe. But we cannot be completely sure about their long-term effects. Until we get a conclusive answer, the Government recommends that people take precautions. It advises mobile phone users to keep their call times short. And children under the age of 16 should only use mobile phones for essential calls, because their head and nervous systems may still be developing".
Ref: link:
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/healthyliving/cancercontroversies/mobilephones/

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It makes sense to me, at least.

Medical study refernces enclosed >

Cheers.

Tin

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Weight of evidence

All studies listed below have found adverse health effects from microwaves at levels similar to those emitted by Wi-Fi equipment:[and cell phones etc]

Santini et al, 2002: 530 people living near mobile phone masts reported more symptoms of headache, sleep disturbance, discomfort, irritability, depression, memory loss and concentration problems the closer they lived to the mast.
Oberfeld et al, 2004: 97 people living near mobile phone masts reported more symptoms of fatigue, irritability, headaches, nausea, loss of memory, visual disorder, dizziness and cardiovascular problems the higher their level of microwave exposure.
Eger et al, 2004: A three-fold increase in the incidence of malignant tumours was found after five years’ exposure in people living 400 metres from a mobile phone mast.
Wolf & Wolf, 2004: A four-fold increase in the incidence of cancer among residents living near a mobile phone mast for between three and seven years was detected.
REFLEX, 2004: A four-year study on human cells found that, after exposure to lowpower microwaves, they showed signs of DN A damage and mutations that were passed on to the next generation.
Abdel-Rassoul, 2007: Residents living beneath and opposite a long-established mobile phone mast in Egypt reported significantly higher occurrences of headaches, memory changes, dizziness, tremors, depressive symptoms and sleep disturbance than a control group.
Bortkiewicz et al, 2004: Residents close to mobile phone masts reported more incidences of circulatory problems, sleep disturbances, irritability, depression, blurred vision and concentration difficulties the nearer they lived to the mast.
Hutter et al, 2006: 365 people living near mobile phone masts reported higher incidences of headaches the closer they lived to the masts.
Stewart report, 2000: Research conducted by HPA chief William Stewart advised the main beam of a mobile phone mast should not be allowed to fall on any part of a school’s grounds.
Hecht & Balzer, 1997: A huge review of studies concluded a vast array of health effects, including insomnia, brainwave changes, cardiovascular problems and increased susceptibility to infections.
Carpenter & Sage, 2007: Concluded that an maximum outdoor exposure limit of 0.6 V/ m should be set, and that Wi-Fi systems should be replaced with wired alternatives.
ECOLOG-Institut, 2000: Found evidence for increases in immune and central nervous system damage, and reduced cognitive function. Recommended an exposure limit 1,000 times lower than current guidelines.
Kolodynski & Kolodynska, 1999: School children living near a radio location station in Latvia suffered reduced motor function, memory and attention spans.

Link
http://www.theecologist.org/pages/archive_detail.asp?content_id=1179:

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Jakg

I think you should make little foil hats to go over your childrens heads.


(and i'm being serious - have you checked the amount of signals like WiFi etc from other people in your house?!)

Tinfish

Jakg wrote: »

I think you should make little foil hats to go over your childrens heads.

Funnily enough, I expected to recieve at least one dumb comment like this one when posting on this forum. I love Martin's site, and I'm a long term member, but lets face it, its not the sort of place you'd expect to find members who can engage in scientific debate in a balanced way without resorting to the sort of low-life comments you'd expect from a Sun reader or Corrie viewer Its the sort of mentality you'd expect from someone who smokes indoors beside their children, while at the same time coughing out a sentence about "cigs never doing me any harm".

If a child in your family ever gets cancer of the brain, ear or eye in years to come, and your doctors says (as he/she will likely do) that it could well have been because of constant exposure to radiation from cordless phones, cells phones or wi-fi, then do me a favour mate, come back here and read the comment you ve just posted above, and see how silly it looks then.

You asked if I'd checked the amount of signals like WiFi etc from other people in your house? Don't you think I would have thought of that already since Ive researched this issue? If you'd read my previous comments before posting you'd see that I had.

Rgds

Tin

"Phone radiation dangers"
(Note: Not for your average Sun reader) >>

"Cancer researchers in Sweden found strong links between malignant brain tumours and using cordless phones, which are comparable to those for using mobile phones [1, 2]"
.http://www.i-sis.org.uk/cordlessPhonesBrainTumours.php

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Jakg

Ok, PM them same thing you post.

I meant what I said - If your that serious you need to start putting stuff like tin-foils in your wall... And you better worry when they go out because god knows what sort of radiation they'll be exposed to...

moonrakerz

Tinfish wrote: »

Hi Moonraker,

The studies you quoted were mostly over 4 years old, and you failed to provide any links to the actual articles,

Oh dear, oh dear ! Do we have a Troll or a "religious zealot" ?

I didn't post the links, because I didn't want to bore the pants off everyone else who might visit this thread. Your implication is , therefore that I made these quotes up - perhaps ? Please grow up.

The point I was making was that this is an area where there probably isn't an answer at the moment. However you seem to think that by quoting one article that supports your point of view on the subject, and of course, everyone reading it must have an "open mind" - then that is the end of the matter. Of course the study you quote covered 1800 subjects, the Danish (not a million miles from Professor Hardell in Sweden) study only covered 451,679 subjects, obviously a ludicrously small sample ! The results of this study were published in Dec 2006 - hardly over 4 years ago !

"A large new study from Denmark has found no increase in cancer risk amongst 451,679 users from 1982-1995............................ Instead, for select cancers, it has found statistically significant decreases in cancer.
The conclusions and recommendations taken from the paper abstract are as follows:
"In conclusion, we found no increased risk of brain tumors, acoustic neuromas, salivary gland tumors, eye tumors, leukemias or overall cancers in this large, nationwide cohort study of cellular telephone subscribers in Denmark. "

Every link that you could post, I could post 5 with the opposite point of view AND vice-versa - on practically any subject !

If everyone believed every scare story in the daily press - well ! Especially in the august journals you reference & quote, Sun, Express & Mail !!!

Finally, you may (or may not! ) have noticed that none of the subsequent posts actually agree with your rather hysterical views.