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Advice Needed On Dodging Stamp Duty

Hi, wondering if anyone out there has any ideas on stamp duty avoidance....here's my story............

i sold my house 9 weeks ago but have been waiting for the development company to get a commercial mortgage, this is now in place and we complete next week for £180,000. several weeks ago i put in an offer of £181,000 on a house i want and this was accepted and taken off the market......but because my sale has taken so long it has now been readvertised for that amount....... do you think i should put in a lower offer of £174,950 (i think this will be refused) or try and sort something out with the old guy whereas i give him £174,950 through solicitors and hand him the cash for the remainder £6,000 therefore avoiding the dreaded stamp duty....not sure what he'll say though.... might ask my solicitor to see what he says but will probably advise against anything like this......any other ideas welcome thanks
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  • poppysarah
    poppysarah Posts: 11,522 Forumite
    Well dodgy.
    You don't think they'll know to look out for this sort of thing?
  • olly300
    olly300 Posts: 14,738 Forumite
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    No one on this site will give you advice about dodging stamp duty as this is a moneysaving site not a breaking the law site.

    Your solicitor will not help you as they could get themselves into trouble. In fact they could refuse to represent you any further.

    Also the seller can screw you -they can get the money from you then decide not to go through with the sale. You won't have any legal comeback because you are committing an offence.
    I'm not cynical I'm realistic :p

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  • bryanb
    bryanb Posts: 5,034 Forumite
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    Happens all the time in Greece though.
    This is an open forum, anyone can post and I just did !
  • I'm not sure of the legalities, but I believe people have included fixtures and fittings as 'extras' in order to avoid the threshold. Might be worth checking if you can ake up the difference by doing this - your vendor would obviously need to be leaving fixtures and fittings worth the amount you're talking about though - £6000?!
  • bryanb wrote: »
    Happens all the time in Greece though.

    And in Spain (although it is illegal).
    (AKA HRH_MUngo)
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  • GDB2222
    GDB2222 Posts: 26,470 Forumite
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    The £175k figure has a magic attraction to it, and I doubt anybody will buy anything in the band just above it. I would put in your offer at £175k, and it may well be accepted. Have a plan B as well, though!
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • GDB2222
    GDB2222 Posts: 26,470 Forumite
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    By the way, fixtures and fittings are part of the property, but carpets and curtains, lamp fittings, the shed, that sort of stuff, can be sold separately. Maybe that'll bridge the gap for you.
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • woodstoke wrote: »
    try and sort something out with the old guy whereas i give him £174,950 through solicitors and hand him the cash for the remainder £6,000 therefore avoiding the dreaded stamp duty..

    Hang on - you want us to advise you on how to go about tax fraud.....?!
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • They have to be actually worth £6k, though, and the taxman isn't that stupid, a lot of the time!
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • Is the house "THE" house for you for the foreseeable future?

    Or just "A" house for you, and with a bit of effort you could find something pretty near equal?


    If the former, £1800 is nothing in the scheme of things.
    If the latter, pull out. Complete on your house, get into rental.

    If house sells, move on. In six months you'll get something better for the same money. Or something the same for less.

    If it doesn't sell, maybe go back at £170K (maybe less) in 3 months.
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