New Oil Boiler Help Please

ANDY597

I was thinking about replacing my oil boiler

Does anybody have any recommendations for a new one,

I have a 3 bed home, ex council house type size, upstairs downstairs semi.

Was looking at maybe external ones, but welcome to ideas.

Must be energy efficient A rated.

Splott_Boy

Bump - I'm looking at this also.

I reckon our Trianco oil boiler must be 15yrs old +

Will a new one's efficiency really pay back ?

Cardew

There have been a number of threads on the merits/demerits of replacing boilers to lower running costs. Although they mainly concern Gas boilers, the same principle applies to oil boilers.

Personally I would never replace a working boiler with a new one, and that is the concensus of opinion on this forum.

I posted this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...erts-warn.html
About boilers they state:

"Installing a condensing boiler – frequently cited as one of the best ways to improve the energy efficiency of a home – can take 18 years to make a pay back.
The average cost of installing one of these modern boilers is £1,720, but saves on average just £95 off people's gas bills."

The loss of interest(or cost of borrowing) on £1,720 would be about £100 and modern boilers are not as 'bullet proof' as the older boilers.

thrifty_mike

Three years ago I replaced a 32-year old Wilson Wallflame with a modern Grant EuroFlame, as recommended by my trusted service engineer. See www.grantuk.com

The old boiler was smelly, noisy, and unreliable. The Grant is quiet and very reliable.

Most importantly, I have changed a boiler that was 65-70% efficient at best with one that was commissioned at 92% efficiency - and it is not even a condensing type (which would only add another 3-4%).

I recon that I now save 250-300 litres of oil each year and, at today's prices that is a payback is around 5 years ... and I do not have to constantly worry about breakdowns!

PS - Also look at upgrading your controls at the same time - I fitted TRVs to all rads (except the hallway) and went for a Drayton programmable roomstat - which is just brill.

cymrucoyote

I am having grant work done to my house and part of it includes upgrading my boiler (an old worcester 240 oil burner.)
would I be better off per month changing to electric or should I stick with oil and just upgrade to a condensing one?

Cardew

thrifty_mike wrote: »

Three years ago I replaced a 32-year old Wilson Wallflame with a modern Grant EuroFlame, as recommended by my trusted service engineer. See www.grantuk.com

The old boiler was smelly, noisy, and unreliable. The Grant is quiet and very reliable.

Most importantly, I have changed a boiler that was 65-70% efficient at best with one that was commissioned at 92% efficiency - and it is not even a condensing type (which would only add another 3-4%).

I recon that I now save 250-300 litres of oil each year and, at today's prices that is a payback is around 5 years ... and I do not have to constantly worry about breakdowns!

PS - Also look at upgrading your controls at the same time - I fitted TRVs to all rads (except the hallway) and went for a Drayton programmable roomstat - which is just brill.

I would be interested in your figures demonstrating a "payback in 5 years" at today's prices.

For 250-300 litres you are saving £125-£150 year.

thrifty_mike

Cardew wrote: »

I would be interested in your figures demonstrating a "payback in 5 years" at today's prices.

For 250-300 litres you are saving £125-£150 year.

I was referring to the cost of the new boiler (originally £780) and the payback rate at today's prices. This may a crude yardstick, but the basic point is that it is by no means a bad investment - now or in the future.

Yes, there are additional installation costs but these vary (DIY?, local engineer? national company?) and depend on what is actually being upgraded (boiler, controls, pump, flue, new rads, insulation, etc).

Cardew

thrifty_mike wrote: »

I was referring to the cost of the new boiler (originally £780) and the payback rate at today's prices. This may a crude yardstick, but the basic point is that it is by no means a bad investment - now or in the future.

Yes, there are additional installation costs but these vary (DIY?, local engineer? national company?) and depend on what is actually being upgraded (boiler, controls, pump, flue, new rads, insulation, etc).

It is the "additional installation costs" that usually more than double the sum. I doubt if many people will get the work you had done for under £2k.

If you are talking payback times, then £2k invested(or borrowed) will produce £130 gross interest invested, or cost that if borrowed.

Obviously it is a personal choice if you change a working boiler, but many people will argue - like the RICS(see the Telegraph link above) - that it is not a sensible economic measure.