can't understand those 3-year old (motability) cars

anewman

devizes18193 wrote: »

...and its a up hill battle keeping it clean

Covers and mats perhaps?

moggylover

moneysaver wrote: »

What do you mean? everybody who has a mobility car pays for it with their benefit, it is not free at all. What you are saying is an insult to disabled people.


Moneysaver

And it doesn't seem to enter their heads to think that disabled people may well not be able to wash and valet their cars very easily and also that it will get high wear and tear with getting wheel chairs and ramps and other aids in and out!:rolleyes:

Costs for cleaning and valeting are extremely high - and for many on disability would not be a regular option. :rolleyes:

Conor_3

moneysaver wrote: »

Disabled people pay with their benefit, it is not free for a car.

Moneysaver

Do they have to work for their benefit? No. Does the amount of mobility they hand over in the time the agreement runs cover the full cost of the car plus all the running and maintenance costs apart from fuel? No.

vikingaero

I looked at a few cars at CarGiant and they seem to stock a lot of Motability cars. The sills/kickplates on the chassis frames suffer from shoe damage and the rear bumpers often have gouges from wheelchairs.

Cosmetically some Motability cars are awful - but there are some gems from people who travel low mileages such as maytaurus's parents. But 4k for 3 years is low and I would expect any car to be immaculate.

Most Motability cars cover low mileages or are used for short journies which wrecks brakes, suspension and clutches.

moneysaver

Conor wrote: »

Do they have to work for their benefit? No. Does the amount of mobility they hand over in the time the agreement runs cover the full cost of the car plus all the running and maintenance costs apart from fuel? No.

That is a silly way to look at it. Most disabled people can not work, not that they do not want to work. You sound like you are discriminating against the disabled. They get the benefit for having a disability & put the money towards a car to get around, The full cost of the rental agreement is covered by their benefit.

Moneysaver

devizes18193

moneysaver wrote: »

That is a silly way to look at it. Most disabled people can not work, not that they do not want to work. You sound like you are discriminating against the disabled. They get the benefit for having a disability & put the money towards a car to get around, The full cost of the rental agreement is covered by their benefit.

Moneysaver

Acuually its the very small cars that ar
e compleatly coverd so there again, mr man with no legs and hip replacement wife might have a small ka for example . If you have kids in a wheel chair and say oxygen then some thing bigger is in order . My self i have a kia seddona which if i had do contract hire the deposit would be £3k or there abouts so I used the award to buy the thing and mobilty charge interest. As the not working thing what would be the cost to the state to take granny smith around , down the shops , hospital apointments all in all this way is acheaper and thats before we get on to speciallist disblates that the people need oxygen etc

bigturnip

Conor wrote: »

Do they have to work for their benefit? No. Does the amount of mobility they hand over in the time the agreement runs cover the full cost of the car plus all the running and maintenance costs apart from fuel? No.

The Motability scheme is not subsidised in any way by government or charity contributions, it is a purely self financing scheme, in fact Motability Operations and MFL make a decent profit out of it, so to say the money paid (currently around £7,500 over 3 years for a very basic car) won't cover the full cost of the car plus all running and maintenance costs is just factually wrong and demonstrates your obvious ignorance.

The scheme is run by the big banks in collaboration with car manufacturers and a few other interested parties and if you think that the banks and manufacturers are going to run the scheme at a loss out of the goodness of their hearts you are sadly mistaken.

The only charitable/government involvement in the scheme is help towards the cost of adaptations, which is run entirely separately from the car scheme.

anewman

moneysaver wrote: »

That is a silly way to look at it. Most disabled people can not work, not that they do not want to work. You sound like you are discriminating against the disabled. They get the benefit for having a disability & put the money towards a car to get around, The full cost of the rental agreement is covered by their benefit.

Moneysaver

If you are able to operate a motor vehicle safely and legally, then surely your able to do something along the lines of work?! Although I do of course accept that discrimination is rife and disabled people have little chance of getting a job compared to able bodied.

moonrakerz

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

As said above, if its costing the user nothing, then most will use and abuse them, same as many company cars.

Typical piece of ill-informed generalisation ! Most company cars are in a lot better condition that the equivalent privately owned vehicle.
They are serviced regularly, unlike many private vehicles. The company using the vehicle has a vested interest in keeping the car in good order as they will be charged for damage; the leasing company has a vested interest to get the best possible re-sale price when the vehicle is sold on.

bigturnip

anewman wrote: »

If you are able to operate a motor vehicle safely and legally, then surely your able to do something along the lines of work?! Although I do of course accept that discrimination is rife and disabled people have little chance of getting a job compared to able bodied.

Who said that people who have motability vehicles don't work?

Also many motability cars aren't driven by the disabled person, but by their carers.